cecilia

If I understand your post correctly, you are stating that Alaska denied DL Tech Pilot jumpseaters in and out of JNU? If that is what you are stating, that is absolutely false. Alaska opened up their jumpseat and forwarded a comprehensive package of safety oriented material related to JNU ops.

The above Sailingfun statement is not accurate. Contact the DL TechPilot department. Ask Chip...He and others will verify the jumpseat rides, invitations to JNU safety conferences, and comprehensive operational documents Alaska offered and shared.

johnso29

While I can see how it looks otherwise, I think sailingfun was referring to only Delta not receiving access to the RNP approach.

Rudder

Just because DL does not have access to the lowest RNP approach to JNU right now does not mean we are unsafe, we are just not as capable as AS to get in there.

If AS invested the funds to get the lower RNP approach, DL should not just get it for free. However, if public funds were used to obtain that lower certification, then DL should be allowed access.

Pelican

Rudder- I agree with your post. None of us think DL is less safe going into JNU, just have higher minimums. I've heard AS has invested over $40 million of their own funds into the JNU RNP program. I don't know if there were any public subsidies in addition.

I could see the multiple wind gauges around the area being public but would that mandate our entire RNP program to be public because we use them? Kind of like a CAT III facility is public but up to your company to train to it, use it, improve minimums with HUDs etc.

With the billion dollar quarterly profits DL is posting, $40 Million is a drop in the bucket if they choose to develop their own program. Any word if they are?

tsquare

There will come a time where it will be public domain. I refer you to the Telecommunications Act which broke up the original AT&T. IT was broken up into 8 Baby Bells, and deregulated the industry which then basically gave any of the upstart players access to the infrastructure that AT&T had laid all over the planet. If that doesn't work for ya, how about drug patents? Ever buy generic?

Or perhaps a better idea would be for Delta to have the runway resurfaced at our expense.

forgot to bid

Confident. Specific. Names.

I'm going to have to say I believe you.

forgot to bid

Yes. I cannot via my phone link it but if you go to jetcareers you'll see the Delta guy talking about it. You have to google the title but I think it was, sigh, alaska vs delta or something. May need to drop JNU into the search.

Thats where I got the information about thresholds being moved, someone mentioned about the runway expansion and a few google searches later you can pull up all of these government documents on JNU projects. In there you see where AS was pushing back against threshold changes due to the fact it would invalidate the RNP approaches they have and they could not get those back without redoing the whole thing like Delta is doing now. This was because the certification process changed in 2002. Those documents I'd have to find but I linked them in that previous JNU love fest. And I do believe the thresholds were not moved, but you know better than I. When the government solicited comments that was what came up from AS.

Delta is evidently in the midst and I guess the RNP will be available for next summer's season. Evidently the 737 will begin training on it soon although i am surprised they'd move away from the 757. Or maybe it was the 757 that will start training. Can't remember.

AKpilot

You are wrong. I flew into JNU more than once a week Apr-June. There were NO jump seat restrictions for any airline. All welcome. Stop creating drama where there is none.