TSRAGR

I've decided to finally start a log book and as i'm doing so I've found (as you all know) the military logs instrument time differently than the FARs allow for civilian. So, I'm trying to "adjust" the time to be more correct, but don't really know how. I got my type rating over the summer and they just used all my Instr hours as listed (includ Nights, as logged).

Will I get hammered when applying for a 121 job for having a personal logbook but having the hours incorrect? Or do i just document all the time as listed in the military and start logging "correct" instrument time now w/a caveat?

thanks for the words.

milky

The airlines see hundreds of military logbooks per month when they are hiring. Be consistent. Don't try to convert it. You can start logging more 'correctly' if you desire.

Nobody is going to get selected for an interview based upon the number of hours of inst time on their application. Just don't have your logbook look suspicious like you faked instrument time to be legal/current because you are in some sort of staff job. Most likely that isn't the case for you or what you are talking about. If your logbook looks like everybody else's logbook, they will skim through it and not say a word.

Adlerdriver

If you're doing this to attempt to get hired at an airline, then my advice is to stop trying to merge your military and civilian time. Keep them segregated. You have your military records and they are properly documented via the military system. Any civilian time you have should be documented in a logbook IAW the FAR rules/methods. Come up with your separate totals, add them up and put them on your application. When you go to your interview, bring both sets of records and simply present them as such.

It's possible that various airlines will have different definitions of say, PIC time for their particular application. Some may allow a specific military conversion adjustment to your mil time while others may not. That conversion method may differ from airline to airline. It's likely that you may end up with different numbers for various totals like PIC time depending on which airline app you a filling out. So, attempting to make such adjustments only once, put a one time entry into a civilian logbook (or worse, enter every military sortie in a logbook) and have a nice, happy total to use on your apps won't work.

For each airline that has it's own criteria, make a cover sheet for your military records to take to your interview that details your math and how you arrived at your military totals. Combine that with your civilian only logbook and you have a complete record. Once you're hired, do whatever you want, but for now I think there are probably higher priorities for your preparation "to do" list.

130drvr

Merged both my mil and civilian into one.....it worked, for me at least. Zero logbook questions or scrutiny by interviewers. They thanked me for merging it all into one, easy to read logbook.

Adlerdriver

All right, fair enough. So, I guess you didn't need to bring your military flight records to the interview at all.

To the OP, many ways to skin a cat. I had no issues with my technique either and used it with three different airlines successfully. Personally, I like to avoid duplication of effort and extra busy work. Good luck.

milky

Agreed. Save your efforts for studying. Most I know (Navy guys) brought their mil logbook with some sort of summary (most done on spreadsheet) and separate civilian logbook if they had one. Since everything is done online, they are not trying to make things add up in your logbook. It's already done in your online submission. They are just going to skim your logbook to make sure there is nothing unusual and that it appears to match what your online numbers show. The logbook portion of your prep for interview is basically done by the time you get to the interview. All the work is in making sure it adds up and is correct as you get your numbers together to input online. Pick a way that you plan to do it that works for you, and just be consistent.

e6bpilot

This was also my experience. No questions asked. Interviewer thanked me and didn't ask a single scrutinizing question.

TSRAGR

Question regarding x country time. The FARS say I can log it when I land at another field. This is really queepy, but does a touch and go count? No I don't have a problem meeting xc experience I just want my logs to be perfect iaw the FARs. I have separate columns for landings and t&g so I'm assuming I wouldn't log xc with only a t&g, but I'm still curious, thoughts?

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Julio

Don't cross the two.
You can but you don't need to.
Multiple guys in my squadron had mil and cub time. They had separate log books/ Print outs and were never asked about it.

TSRAGR

Well past that, I merged a long time ago, and I like it, for posterity mostly, just trying to iron out minor things. I prefer it all in one place

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