PSA New Hire Class
07-29-2014, 04:55 PM
#681
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Originally Posted by alphasierra01
About how much can one realistically expect to take home during the first year, prior to this "raise"?
3 months of training at base rate of $24 for 75 hours = $5,400
Per diem paid 24/7 while in training = $3,600
3 months of reserve at base rate and $200 per diem (estimate) = $6,000
(Reserve is currently only 1-2 months but I used 3 to be conservative)
6 months of line flying crediting 90 hours & $500 per diem monthly = $16,000
07-29-2014, 05:17 PM
#682
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Originally Posted by Binksy
Per diem paid 24/7 while in training = $3,600
07-29-2014, 05:41 PM
#683
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Originally Posted by MedicRyan
This number is incorrect. You are only paid 24 hour per diem while attending a training function. You are not paid per diem while waiting 4 weeks or so for the sim, or other training breaks. I'm not trying to split hairs. I just want to make sure everyone has the facts.
I counted initial ground, at least two weeks of initial sim, 700 differences sim and ground, and OE for both 200 and 700. That should take anywhere from 11-13 weeks of actual training time with per diem paid. I used $3,600 as a rounded off number for 3 months of training but everyone's check will be slightly different.
Last edited by Binksy; 07-29-2014 at 06:18 PM.
07-29-2014, 06:54 PM
#684
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Originally Posted by Binksy
Including per diem, around $30,000. Based off the following:
3 months of training at base rate of $24 for 75 hours = $5,400
Per diem paid 24/7 while in training = $3,600
3 months of reserve at base rate and $200 per diem (estimate) = $6,000
(Reserve is currently only 1-2 months but I used 3 to be conservative)
6 months of line flying crediting 90 hours & $500 per diem monthly = $16,000
3 months of training at base rate of $24 for 75 hours = $5,400
Per diem paid 24/7 while in training = $3,600
3 months of reserve at base rate and $200 per diem (estimate) = $6,000
(Reserve is currently only 1-2 months but I used 3 to be conservative)
6 months of line flying crediting 90 hours & $500 per diem monthly = $16,000
08-06-2014, 05:23 PM
#686
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Originally Posted by crawl
08-06-2014, 08:03 PM
#687
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Originally Posted by Binksy
Including per diem, around $30,000. Based off the following:
3 months of training at base rate of $24 for 75 hours = $5,400
Per diem paid 24/7 while in training = $3,600
3 months of reserve at base rate and $200 per diem (estimate) = $6,000
(Reserve is currently only 1-2 months but I used 3 to be conservative)
6 months of line flying crediting 90 hours & $500 per diem monthly = $16,000
3 months of training at base rate of $24 for 75 hours = $5,400
Per diem paid 24/7 while in training = $3,600
3 months of reserve at base rate and $200 per diem (estimate) = $6,000
(Reserve is currently only 1-2 months but I used 3 to be conservative)
6 months of line flying crediting 90 hours & $500 per diem monthly = $16,000
08-06-2014, 08:31 PM
#688
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Originally Posted by embraer
I'm not doubting you, but can someone explain how you are able to credit 90 hours a month at PSA?
Any trip added that includes a critical day pays 1.5x for the entire trip. So if you take my above scenario and add a 4 day trip you'll get 65 hours + ~30 hours for the 4 day giving you ~95 hours.
If no days are critical I can still add flying on any day off at 1.25x. So.....65 hours ends up being ~90 hours after I add back the 4 days I dropped at 1.25x with 14 days off.
The company stated during negotiations that ~19% of days were critical even when the company was staffed properly.
08-07-2014, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
our SAP allows dropping flying down to 65 hours. Generally speaking your can get 65 hours from either 4 4 day trips, leaving you 18 days off, or 4 4 day trips plus a 1 day leaving you 17 days off.
Any trip added that includes a critical day pays 1.5x for the entire trip. So if you take my above scenario and add a 4 day trip you'll get 65 hours + ~30 hours for the 4 day giving you ~95 hours.
If no days are critical I can still add flying on any day off at 1.25x. So.....65 hours ends up being ~90 hours after I add back the 4 days I dropped at 1.25x with 14 days off.
The company stated during negotiations that ~19% of days were critical even when the company was staffed properly.
Any trip added that includes a critical day pays 1.5x for the entire trip. So if you take my above scenario and add a 4 day trip you'll get 65 hours + ~30 hours for the 4 day giving you ~95 hours.
If no days are critical I can still add flying on any day off at 1.25x. So.....65 hours ends up being ~90 hours after I add back the 4 days I dropped at 1.25x with 14 days off.
The company stated during negotiations that ~19% of days were critical even when the company was staffed properly.
I don't work there but I'm thinking the original intention is two fold: 1.) Is the intention to allow pilots to drop trips for less pay and 2.) Allow pilots with a regular schedule the ability to add on some flying for 'overtime' style pay? But not do both.
My guess is that the company will want to correct this on your next negotiation as it certainly isn't industry standard in the regionals and I have to imagine costs them a lot of money.
Not trying to knock it though, sounds like a great thing to have if you can hold on to it.
08-07-2014, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
This is a fluke right? Why would the company allow you to drop trips just to re-add them back for extra credit? It has to be an oversight in your contract I would think.
I don't work there but I'm thinking the original intention is two fold: 1.) Is the intention to allow pilots to drop trips for less pay and 2.) Allow pilots with a regular schedule the ability to add on some flying for 'overtime' style pay? But not do both.
My guess is that the company will want to correct this on your next negotiation as it certainly isn't industry standard in the regionals and I have to imagine costs them a lot of money.
Not trying to knock it though, sounds like a great thing to have if you can hold on to it.
I don't work there but I'm thinking the original intention is two fold: 1.) Is the intention to allow pilots to drop trips for less pay and 2.) Allow pilots with a regular schedule the ability to add on some flying for 'overtime' style pay? But not do both.
My guess is that the company will want to correct this on your next negotiation as it certainly isn't industry standard in the regionals and I have to imagine costs them a lot of money.
Not trying to knock it though, sounds like a great thing to have if you can hold on to it.
It is the position of the MEC at PSA that the SAP is not and will. It be on the bargaining table. It's the biggest money maker in the industry. It's unreal what can be done, and pair with the critical coverage sections, some real money can be made. For instance, drop to 18 days off and. 66 hours block. Trade 3 days for a critical 4 day, and move the other 2 four days one day back, and your entire month is critical. So 66 hours of block, and 3 20 hour 4 days critical pay, gives you an additional 30 hours of pay. Yes, 30.
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