Foreign airlines may save regional pilots
#72
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What a con artist you are. You can't layout a case, so you dribble on about history all the while pretending your position in the argument is superior. You've been caught pretending you know something, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
#73
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I don't think you fully understand what NAI is asking to do. NA Long Haul is trying to get around paying those high foreign salaries you want.
#74
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Have you ever looked at or taken a cruise? If you have, you will see that nearly all cruise ships are operated under Panamanian, Liberian, or other registry. How many of those who work those ships are paid at US Merchant Marine rates?
Short answer: almost none. Maybe the Master and the First officer, but the rank and file, not even close.
Why? Because crap wages here in the US are darn good wages in these other countries.
Don't believe me? Look at the rates for the airlines that are actively seeking US pilots and compare them to comparable US jobs. Forget Emirates, they are looking for the cream of the crop and don't care where they come from. Look at the borderline companies, or the ones that have perpetual adds on the 350 etc. Same equipment for lower wages in they US. They make sense because there is a huge tax break for ex pats.
I was head hunted by an Australian Saab operator. They were willing to pay me 40% more.... But I would have needed to live in Sydney. After figuring the cost of living, I would have lost money... and I WANTED to take some time down under. And they paid far less than other Saab operators in Australia.... kinda the Colgans of the down under.
Still don't get it?
Okay, I'll try another tack.
Why is it when you call customer support for something you bought in the US, you get a guy who calls himself Fred who has a distinctly Hindi accent? No guesses??? Short answer, "Fred" can make twice what his brethren make by working from 9pm local to 0500 local answering calls from folks in the US calling during business hours. And he is still cheaper that having US folks working from 9am to 5pm.
Still don't get it?
Auto industry. Auto workers in the US in the 70s-80s were paid a very reasonably wage. Then the US market collapsed. Why? Because Asians thought $7 an hour was living high on the hog. (Funny thing is now the Japanese are running into pay issues versus the Koreans)
Final thought. Foreign airlines are willing to pay "Big Bucks" to drag US folks FROM THEIR CONTINENT to work. Why? Because the rates they are paying are not great enough to attract the locals.
Think about that.
Short answer: almost none. Maybe the Master and the First officer, but the rank and file, not even close.
Why? Because crap wages here in the US are darn good wages in these other countries.
Don't believe me? Look at the rates for the airlines that are actively seeking US pilots and compare them to comparable US jobs. Forget Emirates, they are looking for the cream of the crop and don't care where they come from. Look at the borderline companies, or the ones that have perpetual adds on the 350 etc. Same equipment for lower wages in they US. They make sense because there is a huge tax break for ex pats.
I was head hunted by an Australian Saab operator. They were willing to pay me 40% more.... But I would have needed to live in Sydney. After figuring the cost of living, I would have lost money... and I WANTED to take some time down under. And they paid far less than other Saab operators in Australia.... kinda the Colgans of the down under.
Still don't get it?
Okay, I'll try another tack.
Why is it when you call customer support for something you bought in the US, you get a guy who calls himself Fred who has a distinctly Hindi accent? No guesses??? Short answer, "Fred" can make twice what his brethren make by working from 9pm local to 0500 local answering calls from folks in the US calling during business hours. And he is still cheaper that having US folks working from 9am to 5pm.
Still don't get it?
Auto industry. Auto workers in the US in the 70s-80s were paid a very reasonably wage. Then the US market collapsed. Why? Because Asians thought $7 an hour was living high on the hog. (Funny thing is now the Japanese are running into pay issues versus the Koreans)
Final thought. Foreign airlines are willing to pay "Big Bucks" to drag US folks FROM THEIR CONTINENT to work. Why? Because the rates they are paying are not great enough to attract the locals.
Think about that.
#75
OK you got me, I'm obviously no match for your superior intellect. I won't waste you time so you can get back to what ever you Riddle grad IT hacks do. All this time I thought you were actually a (working) pilot. My bad.
#77
My dog has a better chance of being a real pilot. Get off the computer in your riddle dorm and study up for your fms 101 class. Troll.
#78
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You're paid like that because that's the price to go over there and do that.
Does anyone here really think that they will benevolently pay glorious wages in the states out of the good of their hearts? You'd better not.
All it would do is force the bar even lower were they to be allowed in here.
Does anyone here really think that they will benevolently pay glorious wages in the states out of the good of their hearts? You'd better not.
All it would do is force the bar even lower were they to be allowed in here.
If NAI=50% of the career we (regional gulag pilots) had been hoping for at a U.S. major then it is still better than the 25% we have had up to now. If there is career damage at the upper levels of U.S. majors, oh well. Gotta grab the best money that is within reach, even if you have to step on someone to get it. Sound familiar?
#79
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#80
The argument is not that the bar would be lowered. That is a given. The argument here is that the lowest NAI bar is still going to be higher than the highest regional bar. And if the U.S. majors (ALPA+pilots+management) choose to collude and offer little more than 20 years of never-ending whipsaws and concessions to regional ghetto dwellers, then fine. That's where we are today.
If NAI=50% of the career we (regional gulag pilots) had been hoping for at a U.S. major then it is still better than the 25% we have had up to now. If there is career damage at the upper levels of U.S. majors, oh well. Gotta grab the best money that is within reach, even if you have to step on someone to get it. Sound familiar?
If NAI=50% of the career we (regional gulag pilots) had been hoping for at a U.S. major then it is still better than the 25% we have had up to now. If there is career damage at the upper levels of U.S. majors, oh well. Gotta grab the best money that is within reach, even if you have to step on someone to get it. Sound familiar?
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