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Yeah the more I learned about all the details, it would be sketchy for anyone.
Almost anyone could be sufficiently confused to get a lot of nose down trim before noticing that the INTERMITTENT trim wheel motion was not the other guy just doing his thing.
Now you're going downhill fast... a good airman would idle the thrust, that would give you a fighting chance but with enough speed and aerodynamic force on the trim it will take a lot of force, like both hands (maybe all four hands), to move the wheel and untrim it. IIRC they determined that it would impossible to move the trim by hand above a certain speed.
Even with good airmen on a good day, you're probably going to scare the crap out of everyone onboard.
CBreezy;3512951]This. I've done this in the sim. It isn't fun even when you catch it relatively early.
Nothing is fun in the SIM.
Yes, they did determine there was a speed where you could not move the trim wheel. Its 420 knots. 70 knots above VMO and just shy on VNE.
Yes, people can be confused about movement and bells and whistles. Guess what isn't confusing? The amount of force I am having to use to keep the nose up, hey, why don't I trim those forces off? All you have to do is trim, trim overrides MCAS all day long. Just Like the Lion Air report stated.
Speaking of reports? Where is the Ethiopian report?