Air Wisconsin Signs 5 Year CPA With United
03-03-2017, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BigWillyCapt
Here's all you need to know. Total mandatory retirements at DAL, UAL, AA, SWA and FedEx in the next 10 yrs = 20,988. Total regional pilots right now for the top 13 = 18,581. Unless you are a knucklehead, don't meet the requirements for some reason, or are going to retire in that timeframe you should be able to get a job at a major airline.
03-03-2017, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Not sure what "normal" numbers are for the ex-military annually, but I predict that number is going to go up dramastically over the next 5 years. People are turning down promotions and bonuses and getting out at a much higher rate than before.
People are getting out, and the military is having trouble retaining folks, but there are not as many pilots as there have been in the past. That is partly why you see some regionals looking to the military helicopter pilot as a potential source for new pilots. The Navy has just about as many,if not more, helo pilots as they do fixed wing pilots. Most just need about 150 fixed wing PIC hours and the multi engine time to qualify for an ATP as they already have enough total time.
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03-03-2017, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Not sure what "normal" numbers are for the ex-military annually, but I predict that number is going to go up dramastically over the next 5 years. People are turning down promotions and bonuses and getting out at a much higher rate than before.
It may spike for a few years, but within 5-10 years they will only be able to contribute MAYBE 1000 pilots per year, likely less.
The helo-conversion guys might supplement that a bit, but we aren't sure how significant that will be just yet.
03-03-2017, 11:50 AM
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Not 150 FW PIC, but 250. Unless you're referring to Navy only, and they get about 100 FW in flight training? The Army helo drivers get out with zero FW hours unless they flew on their own.
It's about time the airlines started realizing that helo pilots make better 121 pilots. Took them long enough!
It's about time the airlines started realizing that helo pilots make better 121 pilots. Took them long enough!
Originally Posted by Tester130
People are getting out, and the military is having trouble retaining folks, but there are not as many pilots as there have been in the past. That is partly why you see some regionals looking to the military helicopter pilot as a potential source for new pilots. The Navy has just about as many,if not more, helo pilots as they do fixed wing pilots. Most just need about 150 fixed wing PIC hours and the multi engine time to qualify for an ATP as they already have enough total time.
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03-03-2017, 11:53 AM
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I never said anything about a bottomless well of pilots. What I DID say is that more and more pilots are leaving the military in spite of the bonuses being thrown at them. Some are even turning down promotions, and some are foregoing sticking around for retirement. So for a while there will be an uptick in military pilots coming to the airlines.
I think the shortage to which you are referring is more off the top than off the bottom.
As for helo guys coming over, they are. Expect to see considerably more in the next 2-3 years as they get their FW ratings.
I think the shortage to which you are referring is more off the top than off the bottom.
As for helo guys coming over, they are. Expect to see considerably more in the next 2-3 years as they get their FW ratings.
Originally Posted by threeighteen
Actually the contrary. The military doesn't have a bottomless well full of pilots, they're actually dealing with a very serious shortage right now.
It may spike for a few years, but within 5-10 years they will only be able to contribute MAYBE 1000 pilots per year, likely less.
The helo-conversion guys might supplement that a bit, but we aren't sure how significant that will be just yet.
It may spike for a few years, but within 5-10 years they will only be able to contribute MAYBE 1000 pilots per year, likely less.
The helo-conversion guys might supplement that a bit, but we aren't sure how significant that will be just yet.
03-03-2017, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Not 150 FW PIC, but 250. Unless you're referring to Navy only, and they get about 100 FW in flight training? The Army helo drivers get out with zero FW hours unless they flew on their own.
It's about time the airlines started realizing that helo pilots make better 121 pilots. Took them long enough!
It's about time the airlines started realizing that helo pilots make better 121 pilots. Took them long enough!
Correct, the Army helo drivers would need the full 250 PIC as well as all their fixed wing quals. I was referring to the Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, and Air Force rotor pilots who started in fixed wing and more than likely have at least a SEL commercial and airplane instrument. They would all be about 150 PIC hours short and represent a huge pool of pilots that could be trained quickly to qualify for an ATP.
There is an uptick in military pilots getting out to head to the airlines for now. Adding the helo pilots will help feed the regionals as they would not be competitive for a major until they have more fixed wing time.
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03-04-2017, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
In my opinion, United is one step behind American.
Don't forget, American signed a deal for roughly 40 CRJ-700s with Skywest last year. Those plane were former United Express.
United is getting roughly 50 former American CRJ-200s through Air Wisconsin. It's a trade of regional pilots and American is getting more efficient planes while United takes a step back.
The 50 seaters have the most uncertain future among RJs and American is smart by keeping most of their 50 seat frames at their own companies.
American is adding new E175s at Envoy and used 700s at Skywest while old 200s leave the American system.
United screwed up by not paying Skywest more cheese to keep flying all the Expressjet E145s and Skywest 700s and they're paying for it now. Their product is taking a hit by shifting E145s from Expressjet to TSA and Comutair.
The future of American regional flying consists of more RJs operated by wholly owns which is smart considering the shortage of qualified and willing applicants and the better incentives wholly owns can offer.
The best thing United can do for it's RJ feed is start buying up regional airlines and offering the best flow through programs and overall pay. Their interview program and deal with Wisconsin is a step in the right direction but not enough.
Don't forget, American signed a deal for roughly 40 CRJ-700s with Skywest last year. Those plane were former United Express.
United is getting roughly 50 former American CRJ-200s through Air Wisconsin. It's a trade of regional pilots and American is getting more efficient planes while United takes a step back.
The 50 seaters have the most uncertain future among RJs and American is smart by keeping most of their 50 seat frames at their own companies.
American is adding new E175s at Envoy and used 700s at Skywest while old 200s leave the American system.
United screwed up by not paying Skywest more cheese to keep flying all the Expressjet E145s and Skywest 700s and they're paying for it now. Their product is taking a hit by shifting E145s from Expressjet to TSA and Comutair.
The future of American regional flying consists of more RJs operated by wholly owns which is smart considering the shortage of qualified and willing applicants and the better incentives wholly owns can offer.
The best thing United can do for it's RJ feed is start buying up regional airlines and offering the best flow through programs and overall pay. Their interview program and deal with Wisconsin is a step in the right direction but not enough.
It doesn't make sense to buy and merge a regional list when there will never be a shortage of applicants at mainline and they can weed out the tin foil hat people. Most regionals have been hiring anyone with a pulse for the past 5 years. The flight attendants have language preventing it and the drama from the last integration is fresh on everyones mind.
03-04-2017, 06:42 AM
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