FlywithJet

Hello all,

I start ATP/CTP in a week and was wondering if anyone that recently went through training at AW, could share a little about what their experience and training schedule was like through out training. Also is their anything you recommend to start reading up on?

prex8390

Only study what they give you and don’t read ahead. Law of primacy

RAHkid94

That assumes a competent and standardized training department, where the people testing you aren’t asking dozens of questions that aren’t covered in the reading. If you only study what they give you, you will fail your oral at ZW. The problem is the “kinder, gentler, we aren’t asking you to build the airplane” mentality has hit Indoc and systems ground but not the examiners.

Find a PRM and some gouges once you’re in the schoolhouse. Study roughly twice the depth they tell you. Right now worry about the ATP written, then hit limitations from FCM vol 2.

prex8390

I guess I got lucky when i was there and had GP for my examiner. He Showed up an 1:15 late and wanted to be in the sim in 45 minutes. Needless to say not much was covered. When I went though the hot topic was failing people for not having the non memory items on the IAC memorized.

Soxfan1

My examiner is known as being in the top 2 as hardest. And my oral was simple, expected and shorter than planned. It was exactly what my sim instructor, who is also an examiner, prepared me for. 100% of every boxed limit. 0 non boxed ones. 100% of every memory item on the IAC. 0% of non memory ones. Systems was done using the overhead panel and in terms of what does this switch do - it was practical real world - not memorizing random things. That was already tested in systems. Plus we did the walk around CD. Asked about 25% of what are you looking at here and what are you looking for.

Checkride was spot on to exactly what maneuvers would be expected. 0 surprises.

I had some of most notorious instructors and examiner but yet I had no issues at all passing. This was my first type. First 121. First jet. Was training easy or the checkride a gimme? Absolutely not. It was very challenging and demanding yet I walked into the checkride ready and actually had fun during it. And I like most hate checkrides but awa had prepared me well.

Overall I was impressed with training from atp through now a few recurrents. It is not easy but I would say from my experience anyway it’s fair.

RAHkid94

I’m glad you had a good experience, but I’d venture that if you went through several recurrents already you don’t have a very good idea on what new hire ground school is or isn’t covering now.

When I went through they told my class to study *nothing* for systems besides FTM vol 2 and FCM section 2. If you’ve read FTM vol 2 lately you’ll find lots of key info missing People were getting chastised for reading other materials or asking deeper questions. Over half my class went into ATR for oral knowledge issues. This wasn’t my first airline, and I’ve never failed a training event. I passed my first time here but it was through intensive study of things they explicitly told us not to study. Our sim instructors were shocked at the level of knowledge we had coming out of ATW. It was a frantic scramble to get my class the remedial knowledge they needed and in the end everyone passed.

pitchtrim

Oh boo F'n hoo. Hit the books and show up prepared. It ain't rocket science.

tonsterboy5

What class? I was told that the January 6/7th class was canceled and everyone got moved to the 20th

FlywithJet

The FCM and FTM a few of you mentioned I'm guessing is something they will hand out at training?

I have been reading the Turbine Pilot's Flight Manual, to get a basic understanding of some of the systems and also been going through sheppard air for a couple weeks now.

One random question, I've been told the hotel I am staying at is the Red Lion inn, anyone know if there is a kitchenette in the room?

squib

If it's not in volume II for the FCM or FOM they can't expect you to know. I've straight up told examiners to show me where the answer is in our manuals if I don't know it. If they can't then let's move on. Never failed a training event. You can't be expected to know information that is not provided to you. Just because the same people have been in the training department for 2 decades and know how many rivets are in the left wing doesn't mean you need to know it.