Air Wisconsin Bonus Repayment - legitimate?
12-29-2019, 12:58 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by tallow
Yes it does. Involuntary or indentured servitude is where people may CHOOSE to take a service in exchange for their labors for a period of time. The best example of this was when people would become indentured servants to pay for the cost of their passage to the New World from Europe.
Nope... indentured servitude doesn’t apply to people paid - indentured servitude is people being forced to work for no pay - pretty sure you were paid.
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01-08-2020, 02:00 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by dera
Same logic applies to my mortgage. It is indentured servitude. I HAVE to work to pay it back.
I'll sue my bank tomorrow.
I'll sue my bank tomorrow.
You do when you get a "signing bonus" aka a loan by the documents these regionals provide.
So the companies needs to decide - is it a loan (not income) or income (not a loan).
01-09-2020, 05:50 AM
#43
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The bonuses are not indentured servitude. No court would agree with that assessment. You are allowed to work to pay off debt so long as the debt is paid off at a rate greater than minimum wage, as so long as you are still free to leave at any time. The company can still come after you for any remaining balance. Since you are earning the money to pay off the "Debt" to the company that you incurred taking the bonus, it is taxed at normal income tax rates.
C'mon guys, you were happy taking the bonus under the terms they gave you, but now you just want a way out of paying back the money that you freely accepted under the condition that you would have to pay back a prorated portion if you leave before two years...
C'mon guys, you were happy taking the bonus under the terms they gave you, but now you just want a way out of paying back the money that you freely accepted under the condition that you would have to pay back a prorated portion if you leave before two years...
01-12-2020, 01:56 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by bscott58d
I left PSA before my two year contract was up, they sent me a bill for the bonus, and I repaid it. Why? Because it’s the right thing to do.
The reason YOU repaid it, is that you are a person of honor, unlike those that are advocating not paying their debts.
01-13-2020, 06:50 AM
#46
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I would hope all have integrity enough to repay but it seems not. What those who are advocating not paying likely don’t realize is how small of a community aviation can be. Something so meaningless to these ppl may come back to bite them later.
Perfect example: I interviewed for a fixed wing slot for the Army Reserves. During my interview one of the W3s asked if I knew one of his friends given my background. I had actually deployed with the person this guy was referring to and dude called our mutual friend on the spot to get his opinion of me. Totally unexpected, totally caught me off guard. Good thing I work hard and Try to be as professional as possible with those I fly with.
Be mindful of what you do in this career field....you never know when someone or some action from your past will come around again.
Perfect example: I interviewed for a fixed wing slot for the Army Reserves. During my interview one of the W3s asked if I knew one of his friends given my background. I had actually deployed with the person this guy was referring to and dude called our mutual friend on the spot to get his opinion of me. Totally unexpected, totally caught me off guard. Good thing I work hard and Try to be as professional as possible with those I fly with.
Be mindful of what you do in this career field....you never know when someone or some action from your past will come around again.
01-13-2020, 05:06 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by bscott58d
I would hope all have integrity enough to repay but it seems not. What those who are advocating not paying likely don’t realize is how small of a community aviation can be. Something so meaningless to these ppl may come back to bite them later.
Perfect example: I interviewed for a fixed wing slot for the Army Reserves. During my interview one of the W3s asked if I knew one of his friends given my background. I had actually deployed with the person this guy was referring to and dude called our mutual friend on the spot to get his opinion of me. Totally unexpected, totally caught me off guard. Good thing I work hard and Try to be as professional as possible with those I fly with.
Be mindful of what you do in this career field....you never know when someone or some action from your past will come around again.
Perfect example: I interviewed for a fixed wing slot for the Army Reserves. During my interview one of the W3s asked if I knew one of his friends given my background. I had actually deployed with the person this guy was referring to and dude called our mutual friend on the spot to get his opinion of me. Totally unexpected, totally caught me off guard. Good thing I work hard and Try to be as professional as possible with those I fly with.
Be mindful of what you do in this career field....you never know when someone or some action from your past will come around again.
That's a cute story, but the underlying reality is how unethical the 'bone us' structure is. It's a training contract in disguise, intended to shackle poor pilots starting their career to an uncompetitive employer. If they really wanted to pay you that money they would give you a raise. That's not the case is it.
01-13-2020, 09:09 PM
#48
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If it’s so unethical why go to AW in the first place? Did you not get a CJO from another place? Damn near have a pulse and can get hired; it’s not that hard. Point is if you took the job and quit, pay the $$ back. Pretty simple concept for anyone that has an ouch of integrity IMO.
01-14-2020, 05:02 AM
#49
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Looking at this whole thread, I noticed two significant things. 1. Rarely do you see pilots so aligned on their opinion (pro paying it back). 2. Rarely do you see pilots so aligned with a position that is also shared by management.
These two findings tell a lot on what the right thing to do is.
These two findings tell a lot on what the right thing to do is.
01-14-2020, 09:02 AM
#50
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And here's the real kicker that many above have already talked about. Even if it was legal to just keep the bonus (It isn't), it would still be unethical and extremely unprofessional. If we want to be treated like professionals by management, we need to act like professionals and keep up our end of the deal.
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