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Old 02-08-2021 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
Why do you have to insist on not innovating toward clean energy? Maybe if you would agree to literally any progress at all, it might not feel so aggressive.

Why can't we use clean energy for the large majority of the electric grid? We have the tech to do it, it's cost is comparable, you're just annoyed by it for some reason.
There is no such thing as clean energy. I dare you to try and prove me wrong.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by boxthrower
There is no such thing as clean energy. I dare you to try and prove me wrong.
Ok how about much cleanER energy, like substantially cleaner.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
Ok how about much cleanER energy, like substantially cleaner.
“But if it isn’t perfect why even try!” 🙄
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Old 02-08-2021 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
Ok how about much cleanER energy, like substantially cleaner.
boxthrower has a valid point here. More efficient engines is a good thing, but calling electric cars, solar panels, and wind turbines "green" is a pretty big stretch. It's more reminiscent of offshoring where the nasty parts are out of sight, out of mind. If you really want green, let's get nuclear. There's a new kind of reactor that uses a solid heat sink instead of water, but obviously can't be implemented due to regs.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Escargot
boxthrower has a valid point here. More efficient engines is a good thing, but calling electric cars, solar panels, and wind turbines "green" is a pretty big stretch. It's more reminiscent of offshoring where the nasty parts are out of sight, out of mind. If you really want green, let's get nuclear. There's a new kind of reactor that uses a solid heat sink instead of water, but obviously can't be implemented due to regs.
The point is taken, and I agree that our current technologies aren't perfect. But it is absolutely the case that we have technologies that, if implemented, would be a large improvement on our current pollution situation. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 04:21 PM
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https://news.klm.com/world-first-in-the-netherlands-by-klm-shell-and-dutch-ministry-for-infrastructure-and-water-management-first-passenger-flight-performed-with-sustainable-synthetic-kerosene/
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Old 02-08-2021 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Escargot
Gonna chime in to say retrofitting the shady eighty's with ADS-B out (see government policy & regulation) at a million smackeroos a pop may have had more to do with their retirement than guzzling gas, although I'm sure that didn't help.
That and sim upgrades for upset training.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 3rdtimesacharm
https://news.klm.com/world-first-in-the-netherlands-by-klm-shell-and-dutch-ministry-for-infrastructure-and-water-management-first-passenger-flight-performed-with-sustainable-synthetic-kerosene/
This could be promising. I wonder what's in it...
"Shell produced the synthetic kerosene in its research center in Amsterdam based on CO2, water and renewable energy from sun and wind from Dutch soil".
Very vague, corporate back-slapping chemical description. It sounds kinda like ethanol, which IMAO burns as clean as green firewood. Synthetic kerosene still puts CO2 into the upper atmosphere, plus it must take a tremendous amount of energy to produce, but it at least offers an alternative should we exhaust oil reserves.

Definitely some cool research. I'm interested to learn more and see where this goes.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 07:04 PM
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There were a whole lot of drillers hoping to go cash flow positive for the first time in 2020, instead they saw mass bankruptcies.
Yeah, prices are going up because of economics.
Presidents don’t wave wands in vacuums. Yet in the morning WhiskyWhisky will again splay his starfish at the internet.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by captive apple
There were a whole lot of drillers hoping to go cash flow positive for the first time in 2020, instead they saw mass bankruptcies.
Yeah, prices are going up because of economics.
Presidents don’t wave wands in vacuums. Yet in the morning WhiskyWhisky will again splay his starfish at the internet.
Don’t use logic with him. Oil companies should be able to function taking $10+ loss per barrel for ever because it benefits the airlines. It’s Biden’s fault these companies are going out of business, not a long term loss.
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