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Old 02-08-2021, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat View Post
you give him too much credit, he’s a sub 3 yr FO...
LOL, isn't that like the bottom 60% of ZW's seniority list?
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Old 02-08-2021, 10:40 AM
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but some of you are completely arrogant to think the price of oil is not on track to increase dramatically.
This. People are rooting and cheering for the downfall of their own industry. I will never understand this.
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Old 02-08-2021, 10:58 AM
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LOL, isn't that like the bottom 60% of ZW's seniority list?
Somewhere in that range. Not far from it.

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Old 02-08-2021, 11:05 AM
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This. People are rooting and cheering for the downfall of their own industry. I will never understand this.
Because there is **more to life** than just this industry and it's concerns. Like, say having your kid develop asthma because of pollution. Or having far stronger hurricanes that destroy cities, stronger than even a couple decades ago. I want the industry to conitnue to innovate, you all insist that this is the only way to run a railroad and that opposition to change is more dangerous to the industry.
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This. People are rooting and cheering for the downfall of their own industry. I will never understand this.
You struggle to understand selflessness?
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation View Post
This. People are rooting and cheering for the downfall of their own industry. I will never understand this.
Not rooting for it, but oil will eventually cease to be used enmass either due to economic forces or government regulation. Either way companies need to adapt or die as oil becomes less relevant. Personally I think most of the airlines are in the process of recognizing this and will find a way to survive.
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:48 PM
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Not rooting for it, but oil will eventually cease to be used enmass either due to economic forces or government regulation. Either way companies need to adapt or die as oil becomes less relevant. Personally I think most of the airlines are in the process of recognizing this and will find a way to survive.
They will, by furloughing 10s of thousands more employees in addition to the Covid victims. Employees will be the first to go. Anyone who has been around long enough knows Human Resources is the most expensive aspect of airline flying. You people will never get it. Forcing Green energy with a hammer on a healthy economy and energy source that was working perfectly fine while allowing new technology to naturally develop. But instead, you have to jam it down our throats putting everyone into mysery, killing jobs, killing prosperity, demanding instant green energy. Anyone with half a brain knows it takes years for that technology to naturally come to market. But instead you send thousands of perfectly fine aircraft to the boneyard because you have been brainwashed to think you are saving the planet. Compare today's aircraft engines to those just 20 or 30 years ago. We have come a long ways without a tyrant like Biden and clan cutting off our life and blood. Your points will be moot when you are forced to deliver Prime packages in your gas guzzling Ford Sprinter van dreaming of the pilot job you voted out in 2020. Oil is less relevant? It has never been used more efficiently in history. Plus there is enough to last another 100 years or more at the current rate of consumption. Liberalism truly is a mental disease. Good luck with that career progression at ZW.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Iraq-Wants-Oil-At-80.html. Biden is right there to help them.
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Old 02-08-2021, 02:38 PM
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We can't base every policy decision off of the narrow interest of the 50 seat airline business. Furthermore, they've been on the ropes for years anyway, the airlines always want more efficient and customer friendly aircraft, regardless of oil price. American retired the MD80s during Trump's reign of gold and glory because they were more expensive than other aircraft to operate.
Gonna chime in to say retrofitting the shady eighty's with ADS-B out (see government policy & regulation) at a million smackeroos a pop may have had more to do with their retirement than guzzling gas, although I'm sure that didn't help.
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Gonna chime in to say retrofitting the shady eighty's with ADS-B out (see government policy & regulation) at a million smackeroos a pop may have had more to do with their retirement than guzzling gas, although I'm sure that didn't help.
I'm sure it was was gas efficiency + maintenance + ADSb etc etc. All the same, businesses innovate all the time.
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Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky View Post
They will, by furloughing 10s of thousands more employees in addition to the Covid victims. Employees will be the first to go. Anyone who has been around long enough knows Human Resources is the most expensive aspect of airline flying. You people will never get it. Forcing Green energy with a hammer on a healthy economy and energy source that was working perfectly fine while allowing new technology to naturally develop. But instead, you have to jam it down our throats putting everyone into mysery, killing jobs, killing prosperity, demanding instant green energy. Anyone with half a brain knows it takes years for that technology to naturally come to market. But instead you send thousands of perfectly fine aircraft to the boneyard because you have been brainwashed to think you are saving the planet. Compare today's aircraft engines to those just 20 or 30 years ago. We have come a long ways without a tyrant like Biden and clan cutting off our life and blood. Your points will be moot when you are forced to deliver Prime packages in your gas guzzling Ford Sprinter van dreaming of the pilot job you voted out in 2020. Oil is less relevant? It has never been used more efficiently in history. Plus there is enough to last another 100 years or more at the current rate of consumption. Liberalism truly is a mental disease. Good luck with that career progression at ZW.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...Oil-At-80.html. Biden is right there to help them.
Why do you have to insist on not innovating toward clean energy? Maybe if you would agree to literally any progress at all, it might not feel so aggressive.

Why can't we use clean energy for the large majority of the electric grid? We have the tech to do it, it's cost is comparable, you're just annoyed by it for some reason.
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