Yeah I did get the email regarding that, I’m assuming pilots without atp ctp will get a class date probably in June or July

I do have both complete already. I'm not sure whether they're bringing in street hires with the written done quite yet, but once they run out of candidates with the written done already, I imagine they'll waive the requirement.

I believe it is successful completion of INDOC and systems. Don't quote me, but there are stipulations

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It’s hilarious to read that some of you are complaining about paying for training to get the certificate that is required to work for an airline.

Did you pay for your private? Yes. Instrument? Yes. Commercial? Yes.

Every decade something sends the airlines into the ground. If you’re new here and not prepared, go back to your previous career.

You're right here. The only reason airlines were paying for ATP-CTP in the first place was to get pilots in the door. Now there are a decent few on the street with an ATP already. They will get picked up first anyway. They will have higher pass rates in training and cost less to hire on. It really sucks for those with pre-covid CJOs, but unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about that. I think eventually airlines will be paying for ATP-CTP again, but not for at least a few months until the hiring frenzy dies down.

People are complaining because every single other regional competitor is paying for ATP-CTP and honoring previous CJOs...

then apply there...

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Exactly. This industry sucks. Get used to it.

Yep. This job gets way less stressful when you stop feeling personally slighted by companies that literally have no idea who you are.

I don't think anyone is taking it personally.

We all evaluate the positives and negatives. Some of us aren't desperate for a job while others are. I have a good career and time so I can be picky.

Flying older 200s, for a single carrier that says they don't want them anymore, out of a base I wouldn't like to commute to, for a company that I hear widely different opinions regarding their training department, that has decided the CJOs from airman trainees and the promise of "priority" when it comes to hiring again is thrown out the window to save a couple grand in ATP costs all while getting bailed out by my future tax dollars just solidifies my choice to wait for some place else to start hiring.

AW is planning on a 12-person class at the end of April, and one more at the end of May. No specific class dates yet

Well said.
I hope people remember how various airlines treated their labor force during the pandemic when considering future employment.

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spare your drama. I’m sorry, but AT’s and CJO’s don’t mean squat until you’re in INDOC. There’s a reason they are called “conditional” offers. The current economic climate points to airlines needing to save costs. If I was hiring, yeah, I’d hire an ex 121 guy who isn’t as big of a training risk over a CFI too. It sounds harsh, but that’s business. You think the guys who got screwed by 3407 and the 1500 hr rule thought it was fair? It added 3 years to my timeline. You get up, dust yourself off, take a deep breath, maybe have a cold beer, then revaluate and come up with a new plan.

For real, suck it up buttercup.

I had a regional job pulled from me when the 1500 hr rule went into effect. I had under 500 hours at the time and CJO. Did it blow sure did. What did I do? Moved on with my life, instead of complaining about it.

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Wow, quite the assumptions you are making there....
I was referring to pilots getting furloughed, etc.
This is not a competition who had it worse, I think almost everyone has been hit by this during the past year.

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I'm not sure what ATs and CJOs have to do with the "labor force" mentioned in the post you quoted, but go off, buddy.

So airlines are supposed to keep pilots on payroll when there is no flying? Is that what you mean when you say, "how companies treat pilots"? Businesses aren't charities.

Exactly, you’re a number, as soon as you realize that, the better. BUT sitting back and watching how an airline treats their current employees under stressful circumstances is EXACTLY what you should do when choosing an employer.

I chose OO for various reasons, but the first question I asked was “why does SkyWest not offer a bonus when every other regional does”. I found the answer, and I liked it, so I made a decision that was best for me.

More assumptions!
I understand how businesses operate, but there is a big difference how various airlines treated their employees. Just look at all the different airline forums and you'll see the difference.
Look, all I am saying is the previous advice of "choose the first class available" might not be the best when things are starting back up.

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They are currently hiring back people who had scheduled 2020 class dates. With that said they don't have their in house ATP/CTP program running just yet. Email simply says "as the year goes on, we do expect to resume the ATP/CTP program". Sadly me and many others with 2020 class dates don't have that cert sitting around. Im guessing it is due to the simulators being used for other training but that is an outsiders speculation. Really hope its up soon. Trying to figure if I should just go to ATP and get it myself. If its going to take the better part of this year to get that back up and running, then I would rather just get it on my own dime. Im more the ready to get into a jet after waiting a years time.

Did you get the cjo on the spot ?

Curious, anyone that has had the interview in the last week since they started back up again, if they've gotten a class date as of yet. My understanding is they are waiting for the PRIA check to go through, then they assign you a class date, but wondering if anyone on here has gotten an actual class date.

Yes, I got offered the position at the end of a 30 minute video interview. The interview process might be different for people who didn’t already have a class date though. I’d be interested to hear others’ experiences with the process.

I don’t have a class date yet, but it will be either April or May.

I know of a few people that have heard from them. I am a former airman trainee and had a CJO and have heard from them as well.

Cheers! Hope you got good news! I just updated my resume on their website with fresh times... 🤞

I got called to set up the video interview. Former XJT with very little 121 time and no prior relationship with AWAC

Best of luck to you all. I remember this time last year laying in bed considering applying for a job as a river lock operator and wondering if I’d fly my last flight as an airline pilot in the next month or two. Many have, and many are still suffering from the effects of the past year but good things are finally happening again.

Im going to play devil's' advocate real quick. We do not know completely why they are not offering the ATP-CTP at this time. It could be a money play, sure. Could be a simple lack of resources as well. AW runs an in-house course that uses CRJ simulators. Could it be they are using those exact simulators for furloughed line holders to get back back on a line? Sure. Maybe they do not have the teaching space just yet. Maybe the instructors are busy with others time sensitive tasks. The list goes on. You are right it could be a short term money saving play but it could be much more or a combination. I too had a 2020 class date and this past year slapped me and taught me patience. Believe me, I dont want to work DoorDash another day... Our time will come.

Air Wisconsin does not do ATP-CTP in house nor do they have their own simulators.

Air Wisconsin has approval to do the ATP-CTP in house and did in the past. Recently they have been outsourcing it.

So the prior statement was correct....

I think the distinction between “doesn’t” and “is not currently” is worth making.

What kind of questions did you get asked in the 30 minute interview? The HR person said there would be no technical questions, so just curious about what to expect

Good news from Binns! Mo flying, less problems, as they say.

Has anyone received the psp back pay to dec 1 yet? Looks like it was executed per the email.

Any specific information that you can pass along that he said?

PSP 2 was granted to the company. Still working on PSP 3, but we are expected to get the funds. Some of the non-stop flights out of Milwaukee that United added this summer have been granted to Air Wisconsin. Furlough return class started at the beginning of March, and new hires will be starting training in late April.

He did bring up the point that the current market is favoring vacation flying, especially during the summer, so we are pivoting over towards that to try and maintain as much market share as possible until business travel returns.

Sounds like new hire classes will be 5/10 and 5/24.

Do you know if there are any classes in June