How much does commuting suck
08-21-2023, 04:06 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 560
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
If you're asking if absorbing the company training that could have been given to an honest employee who intended to stay, enhancing your resume with a new type rating, then failing to give any service in return and jumping ship is frowned upon, it really sounds like you're asking if you can perform an act of dishonor without looking bad. Kind of like asking if you steal something, will anyone give you a hard time?
Honesty ad integrity is what you do when no one is looking. Think about that.
Honesty ad integrity is what you do when no one is looking. Think about that.
Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period
In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.
Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.
08-22-2023, 02:37 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 352
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
Terrible advice. Just flew with a 27 year old FO at Delta. He got into the game “late.” Here’s his career—ALL ATPs—> Instructor —> Commutair for 9 months —> Spirit for 13 months —> Delta and United offers. Came to Delta.
Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period
In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.
Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.
Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period
In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.
Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.
08-26-2023, 08:46 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,948
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
Terrible advice. Just flew with a 27 year old FO at Delta. He got into the game “late.” Here’s his career—ALL ATPs—> Instructor —> Commutair for 9 months —> Spirit for 13 months —> Delta and United offers. Came to Delta.
Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period
In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.
Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.
Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period
In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.
Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.
08-26-2023, 02:12 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 595
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
yup. Imagine thinking you owe a company anything. It’s a business transaction. If ZW could harm you in a similar way for profit they would in a heartbeat. The regionals exploited labor for years. This isn’t letting a friend down or showing loyalty to family. It’s simple business, and if that means getting a bunch of training and then punching out to a major before you make them a dime then that’s smart business.
just a little perspective
Its kind of like the corporate aviation world, the good programs don’t need training contracts.
They are a stepping stone and know/rely on that to maximize the number of people on the lower end of the pay scale. I literally heard a CEO (not ZW) say as much when trying to get senior pilots to support a TA.
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