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08-26-2013 | 06:46 AM
#251
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Not trying to be a DB... Sorry if it came off that way. I failed my private many years ago.
It's just that after the Colgan accident where the captain had a history of training failures I'm surprised airlines still hire folks with more than one or at most two busts. It's a potential legal liability I would assume. But I'm not in the hiring dept or the training dept so nobody asked me..... Sorry if it came across as dumb.
As to the recent weak guy I flew with? It was an anomaly. 99% of the new folks I fly with are super solid. This one was an exception.
It's just that after the Colgan accident where the captain had a history of training failures I'm surprised airlines still hire folks with more than one or at most two busts. It's a potential legal liability I would assume. But I'm not in the hiring dept or the training dept so nobody asked me..... Sorry if it came across as dumb.
As to the recent weak guy I flew with? It was an anomaly. 99% of the new folks I fly with are super solid. This one was an exception.
08-26-2013 | 08:52 AM
#252
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Bingo. At whiskey we are firing FOs who bust.. And yes there are a number of them.
08-26-2013 | 10:49 AM
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Looking at the crew availability section on CSS...there are frequently a shockingly high number. Are they sacking people who don't complete the mv portion or only if they actually bust the loe portion? Is this standard practice because it seems fairly costly to fire and then replace/train?
08-26-2013 | 11:27 AM
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Looking at the crew availability section on CSS...there are frequently a shockingly high number. Are they sacking people who don't complete the mv portion or only if they actually bust the loe portion? Is this standard practice because it seems fairly costly to fire and then replace/train?
08-26-2013 | 11:38 AM
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I'm pretty sure he is referring to new hire FO's who fail being shown the door. They don't do MV and LOE initially. It's just a standard PC for them the first time through training. If a long time FO fails a LOE, it's not as easy to simply fire them for it. There has to be retraining and testing done.
08-26-2013 | 01:19 PM
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Yeah blue skies said it right.. Talking about guys who are brand new simply not making it through training.. and yes he's right that there isnt AQP for new dudes
08-27-2013 | 02:44 AM
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08-30-2013 | 05:03 AM
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Back when I interviewed it was a 3-hour written test with a short essay on mach tuck and the theory of aerodynamics that cause dutch roll.
Then it was off to the sim, where we flew some V1 cuts in the SR-71 sim they have and a few approaches and missed approaches (single engine, of course) to a (simulated) carrier landing, at night, with rough seas.
After that, if you passed, they sent you off to survival training in the desert. Like NASA used to do.
Simple stuff really.
I don't know what they do anymore. But I've heard from a knowledgeable source that there is a written test with ATP questions and a simulator check that tests IFR skills.
And don't tell them that you want the job so bad that you'll work for free. They had one recently who did that. Not sure he made it to the survival training part....
Then it was off to the sim, where we flew some V1 cuts in the SR-71 sim they have and a few approaches and missed approaches (single engine, of course) to a (simulated) carrier landing, at night, with rough seas.
After that, if you passed, they sent you off to survival training in the desert. Like NASA used to do.
Simple stuff really.
I don't know what they do anymore. But I've heard from a knowledgeable source that there is a written test with ATP questions and a simulator check that tests IFR skills.
And don't tell them that you want the job so bad that you'll work for free. They had one recently who did that. Not sure he made it to the survival training part....
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