THE Air Wisconsin thread...
#181
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First of all this is a rediculous statement. The flying has never gone to whoever has the most pilots, or even whoever has the best chance at staffing it. History has proven that growth precipitates recruitment. There was a point not long ago that AWAC had more than enough pilots to take on any added flying that could be thrown its way, especially when republic was hurting badly. Further, before Piedmont voted in concessionary jet rates, they were in the exact same situation as AWAC; couldn't recruit because of an uncertain future and aging fleet, and had nowhere near the amount of pilots they needed for all the (potential) added flying. By your own logic, the flying would have gone to AWAC at this point and not Piedmont because they could staff it. But that's not what happened. Singing that new deal with Parker changed Piedmonts outlook and made it an attractive place to be, and people started to apply. You don't need the full amount of pilots that added flying would require as a prerequisite to get it. So when we are whipsawed against Piedmont and PSA again, and do take more of their flying because we now make less, I will vomit.
#182
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Like I said it was before our time. I'm thinking it was the early 90's. Ask some of your senior Captains. I think United basically bought them for the routes and then almost squeezed them out of existence. It pretty interesting learning the history of many of our regional carriers.
#183
First of all this is a rediculous statement. The flying has never gone to whoever has the most pilots, or even whoever has the best chance at staffing it. History has proven that growth precipitates recruitment. There was a point not long ago that AWAC had more than enough pilots to take on any added flying that could be thrown its way, especially when republic was hurting badly. Further, before Piedmont voted in concessionary jet rates, they were in the exact same situation as AWAC; couldn't recruit because of an uncertain future and aging fleet, and had nowhere near the amount of pilots they needed for all the (potential) added flying. By your own logic, the flying would have gone to AWAC at this point and not Piedmont because they could staff it. But that's not what happened. Singing that new deal with Parker changed Piedmonts outlook and made it an attractive place to be, and people started to apply. You don't need the full amount of pilots that added flying would require as a prerequisite to get it. So when we are whipsawed against Piedmont and PSA again, and do take more of their flying because we now make less, I will vomit.
#184
Interesting indeed. At least back in the day they were smart enough to secure long-lasting gains to protect their future (1.5% raise per year, for example). That kept us above industry average for a while. Still does if you take away the bonuses other people get. But nowadays pilots and their MECs jump at short term payouts and shinier planes. Times sure have changed.
I could be wrong but I think AWAC had some really money making routes and when United couldn't get their hands on them they decided to just buy'em and gut'em to get them.
#185
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Awac?? Death by 1000 cuts.
1000 cuts with an old rusty razor blade at that.
#186
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If you aren't capeable of critical thinking, or even anything other than stringing together sentences with buzzwords and obvious comments about what is going on now and in the immediate foreseeable future, you don't have anything of value to add.
Why wouldn't we be whipsawed against everyone else? That's the only reason Parker signed a deal with TSA and Expressjet once he took control, to whipsaw them against Envoy in an attempt for Envoy to take concessions, which they eventually did. It's so painfully simple I don't understand how you don't see it. In 2-3 years:
Parker to Piedmont: "With all those bonuses and raises, paying for flight time, you guys are now more expensive than AWAC. Take concessions or else we give the flying to them."
Replace PIEDMONT and AWAC with literally any other carrier and this is what happens, all the time.The wholly owneds are not immune from whipsawing just because they're wholly owned. If you think it's over because you signed one concessionary deal, you're literally an idiot.
Don't mistake your length of time in the industry for actual insight.
#187
Deflecting how, I answered your question yet you haven't been able to answer anyone else here instead you keep deflecting. Yup I enjoyed it for about 2 monthes before every one else started signing something better.
#188
If you aren't capeable of critical thinking, or even anything other than stringing together sentences with buzzwords and obvious comments about what is going on now and in the immediate foreseeable future, you don't have anything of value to add.
Don't mistake your length of time in the industry for actual insight.
Don't mistake your length of time in the industry for actual insight.
Don't worry a big announcement is on it's way.
#189
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I understand that you want to defend your new employer so that you feel better about your decision to move on. Really, I do. But the two situations simply do not compare. That is all. People being flown into buildings with the world watching (followed by several major carriers declaring bankruptcy) is a bit more catastrophic than "my regional airline isn't making enough money this year".
#190
As for attacking me personally go right ahead. Good day.
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