Even the Chief pilot newsletter mentions low pilot morale.

This!!

Byron Hadley clubs you enough times, you grow to accept it, especially if you have zero self worth.

QUOTE=Flaps1check;2608892]believe what you want. These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. After long enough, you get so you depend on 'em. That's 'institutionalized.'[/QUOTE]

Double This!!!!

SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fd Up

There will always be a group of pilots in any airline who find themselves in a great position despite the sht storm that's swirling around them, but I've spoken with enough AS guys to believe that morale is low among not just the VX crews...

Pilot morale is our perception of the company... Everyone I've been flying with knows that the company doesn't give a sh*t about them, and it's been that way for yeeeeeeeears... they do what's required and what is safe. I don't know how morale is in SEA since I don't fly with you guys.


Happiness on an overnight is unrelated.. we still hang out as a crew, still get a beer and burger, etc.

Maybe I’m reading too deep into all these posts but are you moping around while at work? Normally, I climb into my seat, the CA and I have a 5-10 min ***** session about what’s wrong with the contract and then the rest of trip goes pretty well. All I’ve ever done is what’s required of me and what’s safe. That’s what they hired me for. I don’t wear flair and I don’t rah rah. Alaska Airlines is just a place I work. I’ll do my part to make it a better place to work when given the chance. I guess I just haven’t seen the effects of low morale. I mean everyone is still showing up for work right? As far as I can tell, as long as the planes keep moving, morale ain’t a problem in the company’s eyes...

How long have you worked here? I am guessiing not long. Try B scale, 5 yrs as an FO and then a 34% paycut. Won’t even mention the upgrade years in the mid teens to hold SEA or PDX.

Morale is not great but it doesn’t scratch the surface for guys who lived the above, not to mention the furloughees. I am no company stooge but as some posters have mentioned, you are only heading for divorce or an early grave if you even give two thoughts about this place when not at work. Fly the contract and nothing more. Save some coin and be ready to fight in ‘20.

Otherwise leave for greener pastures. Most of us did not have that option because the whole industry was in the toilet back then.

Not sure about new hires, but this was spoken in recurrent classes. I don’t have NDA stuff to share. Sorry. But hey, I’m glad you have reliable and valuable information. Makes me feel a lot better.

Flynndawg,

While you were living your Kasher misery, a lot of VX guys were waking up to not having an airline to work for at all. Remember Aloha, ATA, Airborne and Independence? We had to start over and suffer fighting for representation, fighting for decent work rules and fair treatment. One of the only things we were given from the start was commutable schedules.

Yes, we got a raise. You did as well in advance of your amendable date. Becoming Eskimos isn't the problem as most of us don't care what the call sign or paint job is, we just want good work rules and good schedules. When we see an email from SEA crew planning telling us to pound sand over commutable schedules and see evidence of gate agents being told to slam the jetway doors on last minute commuters it sets an unnecessarily adverse tone. This is why the morale is low on the Bus side.

Seeing more MEL stickers in one day than we've seen in a whole month and the upcoming SLI award are just the whipped cream and cherry topping to a big ca-ca sundae.

So we acknowledge the raw deal you got over a decade ago. Please acknowledge that together we can work to fix this place for the better. If not, it will be a case of crips vs bloods and the company wins while we fight. Be smart.

Most of the rest of the industry sucked it up too, stuck in an RJ... or furloughed back to one.

Morale is low but the company can give 2 cents about it. If the eskimo isn't giving you enough love then leave, if you can. I am.