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Packrat 11-15-2018 12:12 PM

Fly the contract. Work to rule. Read the Company's own policies and adhere to them. You'd be surprised the effect it has when pilots stop timing out in November.

KnockKnock 11-15-2018 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2708921)
Fly the contract. Work to rule. Read the Company's own policies and adhere to them. You'd be surprised the effect it has when pilots stop timing out in November.

“Fly the contract” is a great battle cry except that premium pick ups, non premium pick ups, extensions, etc. are all part of the contract. Instead of everyone beating the, “fly the contract”, drum, maybe we shift our stance to demand ALPA “enforce the contract”. Same beat, slightly different rhythm.......No more fly, THEN grieve. No more grey area, no more rolling over saying, “they’re not gonna accept this grievance”....how can we be asked to “fly” a contract that’s not enforced?

Klsytakesit 11-15-2018 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2708386)
Don't write anything that can get you in trouble or your posts being copy/pasted in a future TRO like Spirit. Stop giving anyone any evidence.

Pilots either get it or they don't. Nothing should have to be written. And that's all there is to say about that subject.

Only applies when we are in “Status Quo”....Which we have not been in since the JCBA arbitration “failure” date. Past practice comes from behavior outside of negotiation periods. Alaska Airlines does it all the time. So can we.
Any pilot at Alaska Airlines that is “helping” at this point is a effing fool, a greedy self-serving slob or too dam dumb to be flying airplanes.

All Bizniz 11-16-2018 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2708066)
I just want to be bought/acquire/merge with any airline with a base ‘this side of the Mississippi :D

Be careful what you wish for.... lol

Ispeakjive 11-16-2018 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by All Bizniz (Post 2709209)
Be careful what you wish for.... lol

I'd be happy if Spirit bought us. The brand is already sh@t, might as well have good work rules.

OCCP 11-16-2018 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Ispeakjive (Post 2709606)
I'd be happy if Spirit bought us. The brand is already sh@t, might as well have good work rules.


And you’ll be swinging gear for 2016 hire captains!

lowflying 11-17-2018 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2708550)
I fail to see how using SLMU is in any way considered not doing the right thing. Do you know what SLMU is and how to use it?

I never said anything about slmu; in fact I'm a fan of it because it allows us to adjust our otherwise unadjustable schedule without financial penalty.

lowflying 11-17-2018 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2709182)
“Fly the contract” is a great battle cry except that premium pick ups, non premium pick ups, extensions, etc. are all part of the contract. Instead of everyone beating the, “fly the contract”, drum, maybe we shift our stance to demand ALPA “enforce the contract”. Same beat, slightly different rhythm.......No more fly, THEN grieve. No more grey area, no more rolling over saying, “they’re not gonna accept this grievance”....how can we be asked to “fly” a contract that’s not enforced?

The MEC keeps saying that the pilot group is angry. Do you think management is ever going to believe them with the ways things are going? Maybe we should act a little angry and stand up for ourselves once in awhile.

KnockKnock 11-17-2018 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by lowflying (Post 2709995)
I never said anything about slmu; in fact I'm a fan of it because it allows us to adjust our otherwise unadjustable schedule without financial penalty.

You responded to my rebuttal of Mudhens post that included SLMU amongst the things pilots should avoid in order to achieve an improved contract in 2020. So with your response I assumed you and Mudhen were of like mind. I don’t think SLMU is a negative thing that helps the company. I said exactly the same thing you’re saying now. If used correctly, it’s a great tool and is not a detriment to the pilot group. As far as standing up for ourselves, yes, of course we should. My point is that chanting, “fly the contract”, rings hollow because someone can always point out, that all the things most of us agree are detrimental to the group, ie, pick ups, extensions, premium, etc. are in the contract. Someone picking up premium trips is flying the contract. Someone accepting extensions is flying the contract. I think a more effective measure of standing up for ourselves is having ALPA enforce the contract to the letter. Do you think management is ever going to take the pilot group seriously if our representatives continue to roll over on our current CBA? Things like caving on the lanyards, the mountains of unsettled grievances and now, most recently, not demanding the company pay for our REQUIRED uniforms, are all examples of ALPA not enforcing our contract. You and I are on the same page here and as many have stated, a pilot either understands and abides by the rules favorable to the group as a whole, or doesn’t. While yes, we are the Union and we hold much of our fate in our own hands, I believe at this point the difference maker is going to be STONE COLD REPRESENTATION THAT STOPS GIVING THE COMPANY A BREAK AT OUR EXPENSE. If my union speaks for me, then they’ve been saying a lot lately.

All Bizniz 11-19-2018 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2708550)
I fail to see how using SLMU is in any way considered not doing the right thing. Do you know what SLMU is and how to use it?

So what is SMLU?


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