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Packrat 11-01-2018 06:15 PM

Some of you guys crack me up. You think it's as easy as "voting in scope"?

Scope has to be negotiated. Considering how Angle Lake has traditionally viewed Scope, what are YOU willing to give up to get it? Say what you will, but they know exactly what scope is worth.

Dalda Erlines 11-01-2018 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2701423)
Some of you guys crack me up. You think it's as easy as "voting in scope"?

Scope has to be negotiated. Considering how Angle Lake has traditionally viewed Scope, what are YOU willing to give up to get it? Say what you will, but they know exactly what scope is worth.

Lower pay rates and worse reserve rules. That’s what scope is worth to them.

snackysmores 11-01-2018 11:56 PM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2701104)
I don't know what percentage of Alaska's flying is done by Horizon/SkyWest, but it's definitely become enough that Alaska's business model has grown to depend on it. .


About 40%.

Spooledup 11-12-2018 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2701423)
Some of you guys crack me up. You think it's as easy as "voting in scope"?

Scope has to be negotiated. Considering how Angle Lake has traditionally viewed Scope, what are YOU willing to give up to get it? Say what you will, but they know exactly what scope is worth.

I'm willing to give up however many days of work it takes while walking a picket line to get scope. Question is, is this a pilot group that is willing to take it that far?

echelon 11-13-2018 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Spooledup (Post 2707405)
I'm willing to give up however many days of work it takes while walking a picket line to get scope. Question is, is this a pilot group that is willing to take it that far?

In 20 years when we get released to strike I'm in!

Klsytakesit 11-13-2018 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2707516)
In 20 years when we get released to strike I'm in!

Until then I suppose you will continue to hang out at
the Tides Tavern and pretend that your job is just like your
“buddies” jobs at the major airlines. You know the ones where
they actually negotiate contracts not enable management....

Spooledup 11-13-2018 07:22 AM

Hey, two of us is a start!

Klsytakesit 11-13-2018 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Spooledup (Post 2707528)
Hey, two of us is a start!

I hope you brought 700 with you...That would be a start

Spooledup 11-13-2018 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2707529)
I hope you brought 700 with you...That would be a start

Agreed!!!!

echelon 11-13-2018 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2707527)
Until then I suppose you will continue to hang out at
the Tides Tavern and pretend that your job is just like your
“buddies” jobs at the major airlines. You know the ones where
they actually negotiate contracts not enable management....

I don't know how you got that impression but nobody's pretending, I hate this place. I spent time at two different $hitty regionals before Alaska (my third regional) and they BOTH had stronger scheduling language than the hot garbage contract at this place. I said I'd be there in 20 years to strike... That's only if fate dooms me to actually have to spend my future waiting on this God forsaken dump to turn from a job into a career. I've been here coming up on two years and am doing everything I possibly can to leave because I have absolutely no desire to be around to find out how this story ends. So settle down, they won't be getting any favors out of me in the meantime.

My point is that I hear an AWFUL lot of people who are "building a strike fund" and are "ready to walk," etc, etc without realizing how getting released to strike takes almost a literal act of congress. And if anyone thinks a bunch of pilots making more than 95%+ of other Americans are going to get any sympathy from the public to help catalyze that process, they need to wake up from their self-absorbed fantasies and think again.


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