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KnockKnock 11-19-2018 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by All Bizniz (Post 2711038)
So what is SMLU?

Sick Leave Make Up. Allows you to fly a trip and credit the time to your sick bank instead of getting the pay for it. It’s helpful if you’re short on sick time and maybe won’t get paid for the trip you just called out for. You can grab a trip of ANY length at ANY time during the month and put that time into your bank, ensuring your going to get paid for your original months credit. Maybe you have a surgery coming up and want to pad the sick bank for all the time you’re going to be away from work? There are many uses for it. It’s a great tool and I can’t see how it’s harmful to the pilot group or the fight for a better contract.

symbian simian 11-19-2018 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2711086)
Sick Leave Make Up. Allows you to fly a trip and credit the time to your sick bank instead of getting the pay for it. It’s helpful if you’re short on sick time and maybe won’t get paid for the trip you just called out for. You can grab a trip of ANY length at ANY time during the month and put that time into your bank, ensuring your going to get paid for your original months credit. Maybe you have a surgery coming up and want to pad the sick bank for all the time you’re going to be away from work? There are many uses for it. It’s a great tool and I can’t see how it’s harmful to the pilot group or the fight for a better contract.

Not to rain on your parade, but I would hope you aren't living paycheck to paycheck anymore, so it really should not matter if a trip is paid into checking or your sick bank.

ShyGuy 11-19-2018 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2711086)
Sick Leave Make Up. Allows you to fly a trip and credit the time to your sick bank instead of getting the pay for it. It’s helpful if you’re short on sick time and maybe won’t get paid for the trip you just called out for. You can grab a trip of ANY length at ANY time during the month and put that time into your bank, ensuring your going to get paid for your original months credit. Maybe you have a surgery coming up and want to pad the sick bank for all the time you’re going to be away from work? There are many uses for it. It’s a great tool and I can’t see how it’s harmful to the pilot group or the fight for a better contract.

I don't get it, can you expand on this? Say you have a 80 hr line and you call out sick for a 2-day worth 10 hrs. You still get 70 hr regular pay and 10 hr sick bank pay.

Now assuming you have no sick time, SMLU allows you to pick up a 2-day trip to pay into your sick bank? What's the difference between that and just picking up a 10 hr 2-day at just normal rate/normal schedule? You get 70 hrs regular + 0 sick + 10 hr pickup. I guess I'm not seeing the advantage. You're still picking up and flying a trip. Does it matter if it's going into sick bank or regular pay, either way, you're getting paid.

I just think it sounds weird that you can do a trip with the purpose of padding your sick bank. Don't we already get rapid sick re-accrual if you did call in sick? The bank should fill back up quickly right?

KnockKnock 11-19-2018 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2711139)
I don't get it, can you expand on this? Say you have a 80 hr line and you call out sick for a 2-day worth 10 hrs. You still get 70 hr regular pay and 10 hr sick bank pay.

Now assuming you have no sick time, SMLU allows you to pick up a 2-day trip to pay into your sick bank? What's the difference between that and just picking up a 10 hr 2-day at just normal rate/normal schedule? You get 70 hrs regular + 0 sick + 10 hr pickup. I guess I'm not seeing the advantage. You're still picking up and flying a trip. Does it matter if it's going into sick bank or regular pay, either way, you're getting paid.

I just think it sounds weird that you can do a trip with the purpose of padding your sick bank. Don't we already get rapid sick re-accrual if you did call in sick? The bank should fill back up quickly right?

Go back two pages and reread what you wrote about no having to spell it out, pilots either get it or they don’t, then read my post very slowly. Let the words soak in. If you still don’t understand, we can discuss in pm.

KnockKnock 11-19-2018 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2711122)
Not to rain on your parade, but I would hope you aren't living paycheck to paycheck anymore, so it really should not matter if a trip is paid into checking or your sick bank.

What’s this got to do with living paycheck to paycheck? It has to do with using our contract to my advantage without negatively affecting the group.

BKbigfish 11-19-2018 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2711086)
Sick Leave Make Up. Allows you to fly a trip and credit the time to your sick bank instead of getting the pay for it. It’s helpful if you’re short on sick time and maybe won’t get paid for the trip you just called out for. You can grab a trip of ANY length at ANY time during the month and put that time into your bank, ensuring your going to get paid for your original months credit. Maybe you have a surgery coming up and want to pad the sick bank for all the time you’re going to be away from work? There are many uses for it. It’s a great tool and I can’t see how it’s harmful to the pilot group or the fight for a better contract.

Coming from somebody that doesn’t work work for Alaska... this makes absolutely no sense. The only thing I can attempt to make sense of here is that picking up a SMLU trip helps meet your absurd requirement to credit 70-something hours per month. This wouldn’t be an issue if you didn’t have a minimum credit per month requirement. All of this is quite silly if the choice is between getting paid and crediting your sick bank... what’s the difference?

KnockKnock 11-19-2018 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by BKbigfish (Post 2711159)
Coming from somebody that doesn’t work work for Alaska... this makes absolutely no sense. The only thing I can attempt to make sense of here is that picking up a SMLU trip helps meet your absurd requirement to credit 70-something hours per month. This wouldn’t be an issue if you didn’t have a minimum credit per month requirement. All of this is quite silly if the choice is between getting paid and crediting your sick bank... what’s the difference?

Welp, if you don’t work for Alaska and this doesn’t affect you, then don’t worry about it. If you did work for Alaska and you knew how to use this particular part of our contract, you’d know how helpful it can be. Has nothing to do with min monthly credit.

DangleDunlops 11-19-2018 06:27 PM

SLMU: call in sick for trip that our disasterous contract and MOU won’t allow you to trade or drop.

Pick up anything you want. Check box for sick leave makeup. It will be restored to your “secondary bank”. Secondary only means they don’t have to pay you $.25 on the dollar for that time when you retire.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t plan on retiring with any sick leave if I’m only getting paid for 25% of it.

KnockKnock 11-19-2018 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by DangleDunlops (Post 2711173)
SLMU: call in sick for trip that our disasterous contract and MOU won’t allow you to trade or drop.

Pick up anything you want. Check box for sick leave makeup. It will be restored to your “secondary bank”. Secondary only means they don’t have to pay you $.25 on the dollar for that time when you retire.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t plan on retiring with any sick leave if I’m only getting paid for 25% of it.

Dangle gets it. I won’t be retiring with any sick bank either. Shoot, I barely have any now!

Tailstand 11-19-2018 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by DangleDunlops (Post 2711173)
SLMU: call in sick for trip that our disasterous contract and MOU won’t allow you to trade or drop.

Pick up anything you want. Check box for sick leave makeup. It will be restored to your “secondary bank”. Secondary only means they don’t have to pay you $.25 on the dollar for that time when you retire.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t plan on retiring with any sick leave if I’m only getting paid for 25% of it.

Yes, it's a wonderful benefit; 1,800 hours consumed at 100% pay. :D


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