No, I’m a FO. I bypassed 4-5 separate upgrade bids because not all of us live on the west coast. With babies and a wife, home driving to the 3 NYC airports, commuting transcon to reserve is not an option. So for me, I went from 113 to 149 on Nov 1. I never bit the hand that fed me. I’m simply pointing out to people your type that are unequivocally stating that Alaska is a windfall for us. It is not. And I have every intention of leaving as soon as I can get a new opportunity on the east coast. Btw, it’s telling only the 12th yr CA rate mattered to you. One of the many things wrong with “the mentality.”

 

Years ago I flew with a guy named Colins Bomar. One of the best and most professional guys I’ve ever known. He and his brother were both from Georgia, just south of Atlanta. When the airlines were hiring big time back in the 60’s he and his brother both got hired. Collins went to Eastern, which at the time was, next to Pan Am the gold standard. Top pay. Top equipment. Top routes. His brother was hired at what was a more “regional” airline. Delta. Fast forward 25 years and Colins was the 727 base chief in Atlanta. His brother a senior captain at Delta.

1991..... Eastern folds. Collins looses his job and all his retirement. Flew the rest of his career on Gulfstreams.

2003 His brother retires as the system chief at Delta. Full retirement.

Collins told me once no one could’ve ever predicted that outcome when they were both hired. And nobody would’ve bet against Collins and Eastern.

Arrogance, in the cockpit, in the boardroom,.... on a message board... almost always catches up to ya.

Unless you’re only two years from retirement, might wanna keep that in mind. Just sayin.

 

Let me correct that for you: It's HIS rate that counts.

Just like "All politics is local", same goes for pay. He was talking about his specific case.. 12 year Capt rate does nothing for his bank account at this point...

 

This is why the JCBA should have mandated a baseball style SLI arbitration as it would force each union to be introspective and as reasonable as possible instead of polar opposites leaving the pilots to expect way too much and be disappointed and angry with the results.

 

http://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ALK/debt-equity-ratio/alaska-air-grp-debt-equity-ratio-history

There are better sites but there’s a quick link for you.

 

Well then maybe people should not be making inappropriate comments period. If you’re afraid to put your name on it why say it?

 

All rates are based off 12 year captain rate. That's why it's important. Most will spend the majority of there time at the top rate as a captain. Unless you want to be a career FO.

 

Never, never, never ASK for baseball arbitration for any reason. Give management the incentive to agree to baseball arbitration even once and they'll run with that into the next contract cycle. Pretty soon your whole contract will be baseball arbitration with the predictable results.

Don't forget the pay portion of the Kasherstration was baseball arbitration. Who won that?

 

Yes but when it’s union vs union the unrealistic claims/demands in normal arbitration proceedings are exceedingly absurd and divisive.

 

You guys are way to caught up in the individual MEC proposals. Just let the arbitrator do his job.