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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2586809)

I don’t wish you or any of your brethren ill will. Here’s the reasons why SWA is going to Hawaii as stated numerous times by the company:

1. To give our Rapid Rewards pax the ability to use their points on a Hawaiian vacation (as is available on DLA, AA, UAL, etc.).

2. To support the “California Strong” initiative

3. The point that most everyone is missing is that we are carrying a lot of pax to California where they then connect to HAL (& Alaska) and fly to the islands. Therefore we are basically feeding the competition as they take our pax to the islands instead of us doing that for them.

4. Inter-island fares are high and SWA realizes they can go in and make a legitimate play for some of that market.

I sincerely hope there’s enough pax and revenue to go around for all of us but because of a combination of points 3 & 4 I just don’t see this as being a good thing for HAL airlines. Kind of like the Spirit build up in BWI is not good for SWA. Nature of the industry though.

Is your ETOP’d program on track? We are y’all going to be ETOP’d?

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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2586809)

It makes sense. I say the same thing about AS feeding every airline that takes our pax continuing on to international destinations. Personally, I think the competition will put a fire under our managements *** and hopefully they’ll make some meaningful changes. Much like Delta’s growth in SEA caused us to grow at an expedited rate from ‘13-‘17. My post is directed at those from both camps (AS and VX), that sound like morose, goth clad, teenagers with Smashing Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails posters on their bedroom walls. “Everything sucks always and my parents just don’t understand me!” Guys n Gals are getting wound way too tight about things that pilots have nothing to do with. I do feel terribly bad for our East Coasters with an impending base closure. I’ve been in their shoes. I was West Coast based and during the recession, base closures forced me to commute transcon to the East Coast for years. Maybe WNs growth out west will spur AS to grow out East in turn helping our pilots out there. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 2586832)

Is your ETOP’d program on track? We are y’all going to be ETOP’d?

On track? Supposedly, but you know how that goes. I don’t understand the second ? though.

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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2586861)

On track? Supposedly, but you know how that goes. I don’t understand the second ? though.

I think he was trying to find out which Hawaii destinations you are going to fly to.

SJC, SMF, OAK, & SAN to LIH, HNL, OGG & KOA.

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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2586870)

SJC, SMF, OAK, & SAN to LIH, HNL, OGG & KOA.

Gosh, those look very familiar. :D

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Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2586474)

OCCP, I think investments in buildings means they plan on growth otherwise why do it?

"Everybody has plan until they get punched in the mouth..."

-MT

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop (Post 2587186)

"Everybody has plan until they get punched in the mouth..."

-MT

Umm, o.k. �� Not sure what you’re getting at but I guess this applies to everyone and everything in life...

New buildings mean absolutely nothing. Real estate is an asset and the space will be attractive to a suitor wanting to grow in pnw. It won’t cost Delta or American much to rip the alaska signage down and toss it in the garbage where is belongs.

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Originally Posted by opdeliber (Post 2587257)

You mean like what’s happening to the VX buildings? I understand your lives have been changed but the blind hate for all things Alaska is coming off like wounded pride. Your frustration is manifesting itself in the form of teenage angst. Like I said above, you guys are sounding like a morose fourteen year old who thinks the whole world is lame her parents don’t understand her. You guys say AS isn’t growing? They just grew by 800 pilots, 60+ airplanes, many gates in CA and eliminated one competitor while keeping another at bay. It takes time to process this. I feel your pain that things are different now but what do expect to be happening after a multi billion dollar purchase? I do think that the investments in buildings means the company has plans to continue growth. Especially the N gates in Seattle. Why pump money into increased gate space if you have no plan to put more planes at those gates? If we get bought or merger with someone else, o.k. then, life changes again. Until then, squeeze every penny you can out of the paycheck, enjoy your home life and focus on making this place the airline you want it to be in the next contract.