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AltoCumulus 05-07-2018 06:18 PM

All of this talk about the demise of Alaska Airlines is absolutely nuts. One of the things we do have are probably one of the best airline management teams in the country. Pilots being as brilliant as we are often are so ego-centric that many actually believe that how they are doing is a direct indication of how well the airline itself is doing. Brad and Bens’ job is to get us to fly as much as possible for as little as possible while keeping attrition to an acceptable level without any service disruptions due to labor strife. The fact that they are getting the same, probably better productivity out of their pilots for less pay than the bigger 4 is a testament to their management skills, not an indication of Alaska’s iminent demise. Alaska Airlines future is bright and full of profits. This management team will figure it out. What is not a forgone conclusion is whether this airline will be a coast to coast airline, an airline in name only with CPAs for RJ’s, or perhaps an airplane leasing company dry-leasing 737’s to chinese airlines.

The Alaska Airlines shareholder has a very bright and promising future...Alaska pilots...who knows?

MusicPilot 05-08-2018 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by AltoCumulus (Post 2588636)
All of this talk about the demise of Alaska Airlines is absolutely nuts. One of the things we do have are probably one of the best airline management teams in the country. Pilots being as brilliant as we are often are so ego-centric that many actually believe that how they are doing is a direct indication of how well the airline itself is doing. Brad and Bens’ job is to get us to fly as much as possible for as little as possible while keeping attrition to an acceptable level without any service disruptions due to labor strife. The fact that they are getting the same, probably better productivity out of their pilots for less pay than the bigger 4 is a testament to their management skills, not an indication of Alaska’s iminent demise. Alaska Airlines future is bright and full of profits. This management team will figure it out. What is not a forgone conclusion is whether this airline will be a coast to coast airline, an airline in name only with CPAs for RJ’s, or perhaps an airplane leasing company dry-leasing 737’s to chinese airlines.

The Alaska Airlines shareholder has a very bright and promising future...Alaska pilots...who knows?

BT and BM are getting exactly what they want because labor chose to give in, albeit some of it is because of arbitration awards, which seem to always fall in favor of the company. Now go back and see why on earth would you put any kind of arbitration clause in a contract. That now leads you back to what labor chose. We are our own demise.

waterboy 05-16-2018 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by AltoCumulus (Post 2588636)

The Alaska Airlines shareholder has a very bright and promising future...Alaska pilots...who knows?


Lets hope so, because they have lost 40% since last March.

rickair7777 05-16-2018 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by waterboy (Post 2595290)
Lets hope so, because they have lost 40% since last March.

THAT might be good for pilots.

svergin 05-16-2018 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by AltoCumulus (Post 2588636)
One of the things we do have are probably one of the best airline management teams in the country.

These are the same guys that got bid up and paid $4.5B in cash and debt for VX. I don’t know if “the best” is the term I’d use.

ShyGuy 05-17-2018 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2595437)
These are the same guys that got bid up and paid $4.5B in cash and debt for VX. I don’t know if “the best” is the term I’d use.

They didn't have a choice. If they didn't spend 57/share on VX, jetBlue was going to get it at 55/share. Had jetBlue bought VX, Alaska would have been screwed. AS did what it had to do.

All Bizniz 05-17-2018 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2595687)
They didn't have a choice. If they didn't spend 57/share on VX, jetBlue was going to get it at 55/share. Had jetBlue bought VX, Alaska would have been screwed. AS did what it had to do.

Yep, sometimes you are forced to choose the best of not so optimal choices....

PokerPilot007 05-17-2018 03:05 PM

Well done JetBlue! After 15 years in business, and with your first contract, you were able to get more than Alaska has in 85 years! 🤦*♂️

cmrflyer 05-17-2018 03:50 PM

Well done JetBlue. First contract. Scope, pay, health care, scheduling etc etc all the things no one can get in their first contract.
Amazing.

juventus 05-17-2018 06:11 PM

I believe , the proposed pay rate 12 year Cpt is the same here at Alaska and 15% 401k also the same .


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