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We're gonna have to change all the stickers to "6th Best"
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Originally Posted by Slim6890
(Post 2596749)
First day of short call reserve no RAP or pairing report prior to 1000 (waivable by pilot)
o First day of long call reserve no pairing report prior to 1400 We need this at alaska!!!
Originally Posted by Moose
(Post 2597150)
They didn’t have a guy named Kasher destroy decades of pay work rules advancements in one destructive ruling. You don’t get much when you’re begging hat in hand after a guy like Kasher destroys your world. It takes time to get it back....if ever.
'09? '13? '17? Be honest, '13 was all about hitting the 200 number at the expense of pretty much everything else. And who voted the pension plan away? Wasn't that a self-inflicted voting in? |
Originally Posted by blueballs
(Post 2597184)
I would ignore passer for now. We only have bullet points right now. The devil is in the details so hopefully we make sure all the small print is spot on. A lot of guys are making assumptions but really know nothing especially POG above
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 2597346)
Why? When the majority drive to work, this goes to the bottom of the priority list.
That was 2005. '09? '13? '17? Be honest, '13 was all about hitting the 200 number at the expense of pretty much everything else. And who voted the pension plan away? Wasn't that a self-inflicted voting in? |
Originally Posted by AltoCumulus
(Post 2597851)
You missed the main point. AS voted the pension plan away for the NEW GUYS. If you look at Alaska’s contract from a senior pilots point of view it is rock solid. 41 days of vacation. Who cares about scope anyway. Industry leading retirement. Step trading actually works. It’s a whole nother contract.
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Originally Posted by AltoCumulus
(Post 2597851)
You missed the main point. AS voted the pension plan away for the NEW GUYS.
Everyone on the property at the time was given a choice...A plan, freeze plus increase in 401k contributions or straight 401k with even larger contributions. Those were the choices. Straight 401k for new hires after a determined date. Yet you seem to think the people on the property made a NEGOTIATED for a clause to screw potential employees. Back in the days of the B-scale, I'd agree with you. On this topic you're WAY off base. |
Why the hell would you even WANT a DB plan? Any CEO can shed that at his leisure with a quick trip through the BK drive-thru. Unless you think the PBGC is going to pay out more than a 401K...
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The rules have changed as American found out when they tried to shed the pension to the PBGC.
http://time.com/5167301/airlines-pilots-pensions/
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2598303)
Why the hell would you even WANT a DB plan? Any CEO can shed that at his leisure with a quick trip through the BK drive-thru. Unless you think the PBGC is going to pay out more than a 401K...
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2598303)
Why the hell would you even WANT a DB plan? Any CEO can shed that at his leisure with a quick trip through the BK drive-thru. Unless you think the PBGC is going to pay out more than a 401K...
I don't care who sends the check every month as long as its the same every month. Now the guys who got raped were the DAL/UAL heavy guys who had an A plan that paid $8/$9K a month and got rolled into the PBGC at $4K a month. If I'm a young guy given a choice, I'd forgo the A plan and opt for a 13-15% 401k match every time. |
Originally Posted by Moose
(Post 2598321)
The rules have changed as American found out when they tried to shed the pension to the PBGC.
Profiting Airlines at Odds with Pilots Over Pensions | Time |
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