why don't you get off your knees and take the hard one the company is simultaneously shoving down your throat and rear end out ..you don't have to let them finish this time

You sir are a sad sad man. You most definitely are the epitome of a Virgin pilot... you sir are “Alaska Bought” we would have never hired you! Infact no one would and that is why you are a Virgin pilot! You truly are a group amiss of any class.

The weak and lacking are always the defensive ones just as the ignorant are the loudest ones in the room—inferiority complex undesirables. No Alaska pilots blame y’all VX bubbas for this mess created by puzzle palace but y’all are the loudest on this web board. Yes, we’re all just pawns of the corporate world however, it’s hilarious that y’all fabricate juvenile reasoning in your minds and fool yourselves that this acquisition didn’t result in a huge windfall when indeed y’all hit a jackpot. Let’s not forget that your masters decided to ditch a hip but failing business. Given the circumstances, y’all scored the best outcome possible and some you still refuse to accept this fact even after it hit you in the face. Regardless of how the SLI turns out, VX pilots have everything to gain.

Yet your name is 2loud and spout off on here almost more than anyone else.

That's funny so I'll give you that but you are exactly the type of undesirable I'm speaking of. You put down others without any real substance or argument. Btw, I wouldn't start an argument with a name like yours, Waterboy.

So, you've been on APC since May of 2018 with and couple of posts...? Disgruntled and drunk hiding behind your keyboard. Drink your own ****, its not wanted here.

You sure you weren’t flying for SWA when they bought AT, because you sound just like some of them?

Which ironically makes YOU a sad, sad, “man”.

What makes you so sure Alaska will be doing the picking? You are talking about Alaska’s debt right? Jetblue has a fortress balance sheet. A CBA won’t matter.

And he said "right" instead of "ripe for the picking":)
I pray we dont get near VirginAlaska Airlines.

Yeah, that’s what happens when you’re typing too fast and get autocorrected.

Anyway, Jet Blue was too strapped to get VX away from AS. AS couldn’t let that have happened and that’s why they paid what they did. The competition on the west coast is heating up big time. AS is in a turf war with 2 of the biggest competitors. Wait until WN starts Hawaii service. Gonna be lots of butter with no bread to put it on.

With all due respect to each pilot group, was Jet Blue to “strapped?” Wasn’t it really a brilliant example of driving up the cost, forcing Alaska to pay a huge premium for VX?
The music stopped and Jet Blue sat down first.

Dude you're trying a bit too hard here to justify Alaska overpaying for Vx. Everyone with perspective knows this.
Good luck to all of you at Alaska- hope it works out.

If they cared about culture they would have stayed away from VA.
“Proudly flying Boeing” on the nose of those 60 A320s

Holy mog, I almost agreed with one of your earlier posts and then I saw this. The entitlement reached a new level. Together my wife and I have gone through 8 airlines, 6 of which were the place to go, and are gone now. What exactly makes you better, you managed to get hired by northwest regional airlines AKA Alaska, and a other people who lost their job while VA was hiring? Your current contract, that “legacy” (for lack of 4 letter word) AAG pilots signed is probably worse than wath VA pilots would have agreed to seeing as they were the fastest union drive in Alpa history.

I know it deeply offends some AS guys to read this, but while I do like some things that we got as a result of the acquisition, for pilots with the same longevity, VX's combined hourly rate, scheduling and QOL provisions WITHOUT A CONTRACT was actually better than AS's WITH A CONTRACT!

Legacy in name only.....Think about that... smh

Is this guy a troll? Dude before you go insulting everyone get auto-correct, grammarly, or better yet learn how to write. When you have so many writing mistakes you are completely discounted.

P.S. Nobody at VX thinks they are saving AS, we just along for the ****ty ride.

Were those scheduling and QOL provisions already in place when VX started up? Who fought for them? Maybe it was to counter balance the lower pay rate. Who knows, it’s a moot point now. I’ve talked with a few VX guys at the SFO hotel and many talk of the extra pay for picking up extra trips. I hope we don’t have a bunch of VSA/premium kings to enable the Angle Lake crowd. As stated before this “You Suck....No You Suck” sh$t is getting old. This list intergration is going to burn like the clap for a while. But we have to live with it and move on with “Maybe being a united group.” Just be glad someone bought you, to bad it was us. The more sh#t we sling at each other just adds to the shi#$& ride. By the way welcome aboard!LOL

You're wasting your time, this is a nameless internet forum. Zero accountability, so something you don't have the balls to say on a crew van you can say here. These tough guys should sign up for the in house Alaska forum with your name attached, repeat what you said here and stop being keyboard tough guys.

Wow. A windfall. Really? Lets see, living and driving to the NYC airports, here's my upcoming windfall: all likely NY base closure. Forced to the next closest bases which are all 2,200nm commutes. Or pack up and move and disrupt family network, connections, friends, relatives. At the same time losing PBS to go to crappy line bidding work rules that have no trip-touch pay protections and add back up 75 hrs. And losing the transcon network to be re-deployed as a up/down west coast regional airline, which will mean less efficient schedules, lower block/day, and having to work a lot more to get the same credit. All for $36/hr more. I would gladly give that back and just keep what I had, but you know we can't change what's happened, and we can't change that one company purchased another company.

It was absolutely to counter balance the lower pay rate, with just enough regular, incremental increases, to keep us from "rioting". We were under no illusions about that.....

Most of these provisions were in place from day one and there were tweaks and additions as we the pilots agitated for improvements.

Management did string us along, and they played us beautifully. That is why we had our first union drive (VAPA) only 2 or 3 years after we started up, as I recall.

36 bucks an hour? I think you went from 189 ish to 258 today. Include 401k and vacation it was more than 36 bucks. Oh plus a CBA overnight. If you don't like Alaska leave. No one is forcing you to stay. No place is perfect, but as they say don't bite the hand that feeds you. Good luck.

what makes you think I would have ever voluntarily applied to this terrible airline? You're absolutely right, I am Alaska bought, 2.6 billion dollars bought me and I will proudly let everyone know where I came from... we do not like it here at alaskan, it is not a good place to be. Enjoy your little regional airline while you can, the end of Alaskan is near.

Respectfully, I have read through the various threads and I believe the overwhelming reason for the "friction" is the misguided belief and assertion of some AS pilots that somehow they are superior to VX pilots and we should be beyond ourselves with gratitude that AS bought us, and as a result, we get to treat you like the vanquished.

They then proceed to attack not just the airline but our pilot body en masse, not even having the facts on the true history of VX, nor knowing anything about the pilots as individuals. When they do that, of course you're gonna get push back, and some of it may be dis-respectful in equal measure. That's the nature of sensitive topics on internet forums.

I'll tell you this...On the VX side, nobody I know, myself included, think of any AS pilot as lesser (or better for that matter) , than any VX pilot. We are brothers in the profession. What we hate is the sh***y contract. And it truly is sh***y for a legacy mainline carrier.. Even AS pilots acknowledge that.

So the position of some of us is, given that there were several airlines who were interested in buying us, we believe that AS was the worst possible acquisition outcome. It's an opinion. It's not aimed at the pilots. Whether one wants to say it in an anonymous forum or publicly, it's their prerogative....

However, some (not all) AS guys take that personally and go bat sh*** crazy with their responses and only end up displaying that despite how highly they think of themselves, they really are devoid of class and decorum.

Agitated pilots tend to get things changed, more so as a united group. It’s been said a thousand times and it is true that AK management will not change ANYTHING unless it hurts or affects their business plan. Hopefully our united agitation can be funneled to good use. I am not very hopeful though as this interpilot group mudslinging “In my opinion” will carry way past 2020. Jeezus, the intergrated list that WE all have to live with isn’t even out yet and we are still trying to fist each other.

Wait a minute..... That $36 that the person posts looks like an F/O step, that which you quote looks like it would be for a Capt.... Are you saying the guy doesn't know his own pay scale?

I feel the pain of y'all facing a base closure. There's nothing that can be said or done to make y'all feel better. I get it. But here's the deal boys 'n girls. Y'all opted to work for a startup airline that chose domiciles in the two of the busiest and competitive airports-SFO and JFK. It was definitely not modeled after the more successful airlines like WN. Y'all mean to tell me that you didn't see the writing on the wall? Most intelligent folks I know research a company before they park themselves, especially in the airline world. Yeah yeah, I get it....you go with the airline that hires you first, furloughed and no one was hiring, you're on your fifth+ airline, yada yada yada. Not all but some (many on this forum) of y'all VXers are undesirables in this line of work for one reason or another and they seem to be the most vocal. Everyone has an opinion but from what I've seen the sharp, motivated, and marketable pilots end up at career airlines, and not some stepstone two bit operation. Instead of thumping your chests and telling the universe how great y'all are and how hip and awesome VX was (the key word here is "was" boys 'n girls), how about y'all own up to yourselves. I get a good laugh when some of y'all make your case against winning the jackpot or the huge windfall y'all got. The only case you have against the eskimo is the fact that our work rules suck. True, it's a mega regional but what does that make what was once Virgin America? Once again, better to sitting at FL350 than on a street corner.

I figured you'd know the only rate that is important is 12 year captain rate. It's the rate that counts.

Leave
Compass is hiring 41.51 an hour and a 17,500 bonus. If you are even qualified. I bet you will fit in well there.

I have to ask, you said “we do not like it here”. Do you speak for everyone at VX? Or maybe your wife is a VX FA? If so I could put in a word. Maybe get her a job at Compass too.

Zero accountability is right. I wouldn't have it any other way and here's why. The last time we had a public forum, even way before Alyeska and current "in house" forum, one of our pilots was terminated for making inappropriate comments and plenty of others got in trouble. I've been here long enough to tell you that you do not want to paint a bullseye on your back because the boogie man will get you. That, I can assure you. I guarantee you that the moderators on the current forum will delete any inappropriate posts and responses in a nano second.
If you are foolish enough to talk trash on a crew van or in any public place, may I suggest that you make sure that no one has their phones out. Labor law attorneys are pretty dang expensive these days.

No, I’m a FO. I bypassed 4-5 separate upgrade bids because not all of us live on the west coast. With babies and a wife, home driving to the 3 NYC airports, commuting transcon to reserve is not an option. So for me, I went from 113 to 149 on Nov 1. I never bit the hand that fed me. I’m simply pointing out to people your type that are unequivocally stating that Alaska is a windfall for us. It is not. And I have every intention of leaving as soon as I can get a new opportunity on the east coast. Btw, it’s telling only the 12th yr CA rate mattered to you. One of the many things wrong with “the mentality.”

Two pilots... two airlines.
 

Years ago I flew with a guy named Colins Bomar. One of the best and most professional guys I’ve ever known. He and his brother were both from Georgia, just south of Atlanta. When the airlines were hiring big time back in the 60’s he and his brother both got hired. Collins went to Eastern, which at the time was, next to Pan Am the gold standard. Top pay. Top equipment. Top routes. His brother was hired at what was a more “regional” airline. Delta. Fast forward 25 years and Colins was the 727 base chief in Atlanta. His brother a senior captain at Delta.

1991..... Eastern folds. Collins looses his job and all his retirement. Flew the rest of his career on Gulfstreams.

2003 His brother retires as the system chief at Delta. Full retirement.

Collins told me once no one could’ve ever predicted that outcome when they were both hired. And nobody would’ve bet against Collins and Eastern.

Arrogance, in the cockpit, in the boardroom,.... on a message board... almost always catches up to ya.

Unless you’re only two years from retirement, might wanna keep that in mind. Just sayin.

Let me correct that for you: It's HIS rate that counts.

Just like "All politics is local", same goes for pay. He was talking about his specific case.. 12 year Capt rate does nothing for his bank account at this point...

This is why the JCBA should have mandated a baseball style SLI arbitration as it would force each union to be introspective and as reasonable as possible instead of polar opposites leaving the pilots to expect way too much and be disappointed and angry with the results.

http://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ALK/debt-equity-ratio/alaska-air-grp-debt-equity-ratio-history

There are better sites but there’s a quick link for you.

Well then maybe people should not be making inappropriate comments period. If you’re afraid to put your name on it why say it?

All rates are based off 12 year captain rate. That's why it's important. Most will spend the majority of there time at the top rate as a captain. Unless you want to be a career FO.

Never, never, never ASK for baseball arbitration for any reason. Give management the incentive to agree to baseball arbitration even once and they'll run with that into the next contract cycle. Pretty soon your whole contract will be baseball arbitration with the predictable results.

Don't forget the pay portion of the Kasherstration was baseball arbitration. Who won that?

Yes but when it’s union vs union the unrealistic claims/demands in normal arbitration proceedings are exceedingly absurd and divisive.

You guys are way to caught up in the individual MEC proposals. Just let the arbitrator do his job.