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#71
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So.....she drinks wine with cpt. 1 of 2 things happened.
She is telling the truth and he drugged her. If so then why in the hell didnt she call the police? Report it right away? Why did she fly back with him? Umm....use your brains people.
OR
She gets drunk, goes to room with cpt, someone rats them out to ops, she panics and joins the “metoo” cause.
Should he have had sex with a drunk woman? No. Should she have had sex with a drunk man? No. Either way, i seriously doubt he drugged her.
She is telling the truth and he drugged her. If so then why in the hell didnt she call the police? Report it right away? Why did she fly back with him? Umm....use your brains people.
OR
She gets drunk, goes to room with cpt, someone rats them out to ops, she panics and joins the “metoo” cause.
Should he have had sex with a drunk woman? No. Should she have had sex with a drunk man? No. Either way, i seriously doubt he drugged her.
#72
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Also... in the military, informing the "command" ie the company, would start all balls rolling, including the justice system. She may not have quite grasped initially that company might not address this in the same manner the military would. Most company's would probably not call the police, that would be left up to the individual. The military CoC has the right and duty to initiate the justice system on behalf of the victim; for a civilian employer that would probably be too invasive.
#73
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So.....she drinks wine with cpt. 1 of 2 things happened.
She is telling the truth and he drugged her. If so then why in the hell didnt she call the police? Report it right away? Why did she fly back with him? Umm....use your brains people.
OR
She gets drunk, goes to room with cpt, someone rats them out to ops, she panics and joins the “metoo” cause.
Should he have had sex with a drunk woman? No. Should she have had sex with a drunk man? No. Either way, i seriously doubt he drugged her.
She is telling the truth and he drugged her. If so then why in the hell didnt she call the police? Report it right away? Why did she fly back with him? Umm....use your brains people.
OR
She gets drunk, goes to room with cpt, someone rats them out to ops, she panics and joins the “metoo” cause.
Should he have had sex with a drunk woman? No. Should she have had sex with a drunk man? No. Either way, i seriously doubt he drugged her.
Read the effing article. She deadheaded back.
#74
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So.....she drinks wine with cpt. 1 of 2 things happened.
She is telling the truth and he drugged her. If so then why in the hell didnt she call the police? Report it right away? Why did she fly back with him? Umm....use your brains people.
OR
She gets drunk, goes to room with cpt, someone rats them out to ops, she panics and joins the “metoo” cause.
Should he have had sex with a drunk woman? No. Should she have had sex with a drunk man? No. Either way, i seriously doubt he drugged her.
She is telling the truth and he drugged her. If so then why in the hell didnt she call the police? Report it right away? Why did she fly back with him? Umm....use your brains people.
OR
She gets drunk, goes to room with cpt, someone rats them out to ops, she panics and joins the “metoo” cause.
Should he have had sex with a drunk woman? No. Should she have had sex with a drunk man? No. Either way, i seriously doubt he drugged her.
#75
Not the way the elevator and hall security video cameras show it according to her lawyer. Of course the lawyer could be lying, but that would open the lawyer up to a civil action for slander, defamation of character, and even disbarment.
Nor does the fact that a company FA called this in as a potential problem make this look like some sort of morning after remorse or misunderstanding. And realistically, in this day and age, what sort of a person would take a risk like this, going to bed with a subordinate they scarcely knew? Military generals have been demoted and forced to retire for less. Should a senior pilot think it's going to be any different for him once this became public? Where was HIS judgment?
Nor does the fact that a company FA called this in as a potential problem make this look like some sort of morning after remorse or misunderstanding. And realistically, in this day and age, what sort of a person would take a risk like this, going to bed with a subordinate they scarcely knew? Military generals have been demoted and forced to retire for less. Should a senior pilot think it's going to be any different for him once this became public? Where was HIS judgment?
#76
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What you are saying is that statistically, most people who do this get away with their initial attempts and only eventually do the odds catch up with them, not that this is statistically improbable that it happens at all. That's a different logical argument.
And I disagree, suicide is a very apropos analogy. Do you seriously think this guy's professional career is going to recover from this? Or quite possibly his marriage? Even if it is viewed in the most favorable manner possible, this was exceedingly reckless behavior on the part if the captain. And whatever the odds were statistically of this blowing up in his face, it has certainly happened.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e10656b7a1d5
And I disagree, suicide is a very apropos analogy. Do you seriously think this guy's professional career is going to recover from this? Or quite possibly his marriage? Even if it is viewed in the most favorable manner possible, this was exceedingly reckless behavior on the part if the captain. And whatever the odds were statistically of this blowing up in his face, it has certainly happened.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e10656b7a1d5
F his marriage, hes a cheater, if not worse
#77
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I dunno. I'm the furthest thing from PC, but the military has educated all of us pretty thoroughly on this sort of thing, and the shock and shame could make someone very reluctant to confront something like this head on in the immediate aftermath. Not to mention possibly being still sick or under the influence of something.
Also... in the military, informing the "command" ie the company, would start all balls rolling, including the justice system. She may not have quite grasped initially that company might not address this in the same manner the military would. Most company's would probably not call the police, that would be left up to the individual. The military CoC has the right and duty to initiate the justice system on behalf of the victim; for a civilian employer that would probably be too invasive.
Also... in the military, informing the "command" ie the company, would start all balls rolling, including the justice system. She may not have quite grasped initially that company might not address this in the same manner the military would. Most company's would probably not call the police, that would be left up to the individual. The military CoC has the right and duty to initiate the justice system on behalf of the victim; for a civilian employer that would probably be too invasive.
#78
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Some of the responses I'm reading in this thread are beyond reprehensible....and frankly, they speak more to the lack of morals and character of the authors than anything else.
This is a woman who, excluding a quick stop at Horizon, went straight from the military to Alaska Airlines where she was a NEW HIRE. All of her training would have led her to speak of the incident to her supervisors within the airline. Frankly, I'm amazed she spoke to ALPA at all and am wondering what was done from their end, if anything at all. She was clearly loathe to subject her employer to the horrendous publicity this would generate. And there is not a woman alive who doesn't understand the victim-shaming that automatically accompanies a rape charge, whether the perpetrator ends up in prison or not. She knew darned good and well what would happen to her career: men she worked with every day would now be calling her a ***** who must try to sleep with every captain she flies with (so don't talk to her! call in sick, don't fly with her!); she must have worn suggestive clothing to lure him into bed (because what woman wouldn't be dying to get into this guy's pants?); she was looking for a payout (instead of wanting to continue a very distinguished career); she was capitalizing on the MeToo movement.....yes, she knew every disgusting statement that would follow her for the rest of her career, even if she went to another carrier. Everyone is getting a good preview of the smear campaign against her. All women know how these things go down. I'm quite certain that the only reason a lawsuit was filed the other day was because she finally realized how naive she had been to believe the company was going to take care of the problem.
While I agree with those who have mentioned that, statistically speaking, this wasn't the first time this guy had pulled similar stunts (I have a family member who has flown with this captain in years past and says he is "not surprised at all" with the current accusations), I am confident that part of his employee file was shredded within an hour of the lawsuit being filed.
Despite the uphill battle she is facing, the good news is that the good ol' boys club that at one time would have rallied to protect this guy at all costs is a thing of the past as the dinosaurs retire/die off, leaving behind only a handful of self-righteous, angry cowards who are only brave enough to spew their hateful missives in anonymous internet forums. The new generation of pilots replacing them has little patience for those who lack a moral compass and they are not okay with silence, preferring instead to call out reprehensible behaviors. Times are changing.
ETA: I've been checking in/reading the forums here for a good many years and this is the first time I've ever been disgusted enough to actually write a response. Because enough is enough.
This is a woman who, excluding a quick stop at Horizon, went straight from the military to Alaska Airlines where she was a NEW HIRE. All of her training would have led her to speak of the incident to her supervisors within the airline. Frankly, I'm amazed she spoke to ALPA at all and am wondering what was done from their end, if anything at all. She was clearly loathe to subject her employer to the horrendous publicity this would generate. And there is not a woman alive who doesn't understand the victim-shaming that automatically accompanies a rape charge, whether the perpetrator ends up in prison or not. She knew darned good and well what would happen to her career: men she worked with every day would now be calling her a ***** who must try to sleep with every captain she flies with (so don't talk to her! call in sick, don't fly with her!); she must have worn suggestive clothing to lure him into bed (because what woman wouldn't be dying to get into this guy's pants?); she was looking for a payout (instead of wanting to continue a very distinguished career); she was capitalizing on the MeToo movement.....yes, she knew every disgusting statement that would follow her for the rest of her career, even if she went to another carrier. Everyone is getting a good preview of the smear campaign against her. All women know how these things go down. I'm quite certain that the only reason a lawsuit was filed the other day was because she finally realized how naive she had been to believe the company was going to take care of the problem.
While I agree with those who have mentioned that, statistically speaking, this wasn't the first time this guy had pulled similar stunts (I have a family member who has flown with this captain in years past and says he is "not surprised at all" with the current accusations), I am confident that part of his employee file was shredded within an hour of the lawsuit being filed.
Despite the uphill battle she is facing, the good news is that the good ol' boys club that at one time would have rallied to protect this guy at all costs is a thing of the past as the dinosaurs retire/die off, leaving behind only a handful of self-righteous, angry cowards who are only brave enough to spew their hateful missives in anonymous internet forums. The new generation of pilots replacing them has little patience for those who lack a moral compass and they are not okay with silence, preferring instead to call out reprehensible behaviors. Times are changing.
ETA: I've been checking in/reading the forums here for a good many years and this is the first time I've ever been disgusted enough to actually write a response. Because enough is enough.
Last edited by deltaflyer; 03-15-2018 at 08:06 PM. Reason: addition
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Simple solution... male and female crew members at different hotels from now on
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