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Old 04-06-2018 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Don't listen to Lugar. He is a troll (better than average APC troll).

There have been no new witness statements added to the case.
Well ... After all that I wonder what Lugar will use for his new screen name.
Old 04-06-2018 | 09:35 AM
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Paging Lugar. You can go ahead a screen shot the "evidence" that you were looking at and post it here.

Also, is someone yelling or screaming "STOP!" consistent with someone who has been drugged unconscious?
Old 04-06-2018 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
Paging Lugar. You can go ahead a screen shot the "evidence" that you were looking at and post it here.

Also, is someone yelling or screaming "STOP!" consistent with someone who has been drugged unconscious?
Not trying to defend Lugar, who really does appear to be giving out totally fraudulent information, but antegrade AND retrograde amnesia from mixing some benzodiazepines and even modest amounts of alcohol is well documented.

High-Dose Benzodiazepine Users' Perceptions and Experiences of Anterograde Amnesia | Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law
Old 04-07-2018 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
Paging Lugar. You can go ahead a screen shot the "evidence" that you were looking at and post it here.

Also, is someone yelling or screaming "STOP!" consistent with someone who has been drugged unconscious?
I literally felt ill when I read this. I am dumbfounded by the idea that I might share the workplace with some sick human who would split hairs in a rape case as to the level of unconsciousness the victim had been in order to negate testimony.
Old 04-07-2018 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by boschpilot
I literally felt ill when I read this. I am dumbfounded by the idea that I might share the workplace with some sick human who would split hairs in a rape case as to the level of unconsciousness the victim had been in order to negate testimony.
Old 04-07-2018 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by boschpilot
I literally felt ill when I read this. I am dumbfounded by the idea that I might share the workplace with some sick human who would split hairs in a rape case as to the level of unconsciousness the victim had been in order to negate testimony.
This is not a rape case... and if you “literally” get ill from reading a comment with a legitimate question you are soft.
Old 04-07-2018 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
This is not a rape case... and if you “literally” get ill from reading a comment with a legitimate question you are soft.
It is certainly a rape ALLEGATION. And if you have any convincing proof that a rape DID NOT occur, please give it and we can close this thread. If all you have is your OPINION that this is not a rape case, well, I'm sure you know the saying about opinions....
Old 04-07-2018 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
Also, is someone yelling or screaming "STOP!" consistent with someone who has been drugged unconscious?
Since you ask, it is ABSOLUTELY consistent with someone on a combination of low dose triazolam (Halcyon) and alcohol:

Traveler's Amnesia
Transient Global Amnesia Secondary to Triazolam
Harold H. Morris III, MD; Melinda L. Estes, MD
JAMA. 1987;258(7):945-946. doi:10.1001/jama.1987.03400070083040

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Three neuroscientists traveled on different occasions from New York to Europe to attend scientific meetings. In an attempt to minimize "jet lag," they all took triazolam, 0.5 mg, during the flight. In addition to the medication, they also consumed ethyl alcohol to a variable degree, none to clinical intoxication. All three experienced an episode of anterograde amnesia that lasted several hours. In two of the individuals, neurologists associated with them did not detect any memory disturbance at the time. These episodes of transient global amnesia were evidently secondary to the triazolam or the combination of triazolam and ethyl alcohol. These episodes suggest caution if using this medication to avoid jet lag, especially if ethyl alcohol will be consumed.

(JAMA 1987;258:945-946)

So just as I now know better than to believe Lugar when he lies, you now know better than to assume what this woman claims is inconsistent with known effects of drugs. Hopefully we are both better off for this.
Old 04-07-2018 | 01:25 PM
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Never knew that there were so many ATP’s that were also MD’s, and toxicology experts.
Old 04-07-2018 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lugar
Never knew that there were so many ATP’s that were also MD’s, and toxicology experts.
Apparently one more outright liar than I thought there was here too. We all have experienced our surprises I guess.
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