PowderFinger

Well ... After all that I wonder what Lugar will use for his new screen name.

Ray Red

Paging Lugar. You can go ahead a screen shot the "evidence" that you were looking at and post it here.

Also, is someone yelling or screaming "STOP!" consistent with someone who has been drugged unconscious?

Excargodog

Not trying to defend Lugar, who really does appear to be giving out totally fraudulent information, but antegrade AND retrograde amnesia from mixing some benzodiazepines and even modest amounts of alcohol is well documented.

High-Dose Benzodiazepine Users' Perceptions and Experiences of Anterograde Amnesia | Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law

boschpilot

I literally felt ill when I read this. I am dumbfounded by the idea that I might share the workplace with some sick human who would split hairs in a rape case as to the level of unconsciousness the victim had been in order to negate testimony.

opdeliber

I second this feeling

Ray Red

This is not a rape case... and if you “literally” get ill from reading a comment with a legitimate question you are soft.

Excargodog

It is certainly a rape ALLEGATION. And if you have any convincing proof that a rape DID NOT occur, please give it and we can close this thread. If all you have is your OPINION that this is not a rape case, well, I'm sure you know the saying about opinions....

Excargodog

Since you ask, it is ABSOLUTELY consistent with someone on a combination of low dose triazolam (Halcyon) and alcohol:

Traveler's Amnesia
Transient Global Amnesia Secondary to Triazolam
Harold H. Morris III, MD; Melinda L. Estes, MD
JAMA. 1987;258(7):945-946. doi:10.1001/jama.1987.03400070083040

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Three neuroscientists traveled on different occasions from New York to Europe to attend scientific meetings. In an attempt to minimize "jet lag," they all took triazolam, 0.5 mg, during the flight. In addition to the medication, they also consumed ethyl alcohol to a variable degree, none to clinical intoxication. All three experienced an episode of anterograde amnesia that lasted several hours. In two of the individuals, neurologists associated with them did not detect any memory disturbance at the time. These episodes of transient global amnesia were evidently secondary to the triazolam or the combination of triazolam and ethyl alcohol. These episodes suggest caution if using this medication to avoid jet lag, especially if ethyl alcohol will be consumed.

(JAMA 1987;258:945-946)

So just as I now know better than to believe Lugar when he lies, you now know better than to assume what this woman claims is inconsistent with known effects of drugs. Hopefully we are both better off for this.

Lugar

Never knew that there were so many ATP’s that were also MD’s, and toxicology experts.

Excargodog

Apparently one more outright liar than I thought there was here too. We all have experienced our surprises I guess.