My numbers add up perfectly fine. I was on 8th year Captain pay $185/hr. 8 year CA pay at AS was $202 or so. I credited between 90 to as high as 110 hours per month. I flew a lot but ironically never had a premium trip. On pay alone I did $222,000. Add into that 2.5% in incentive pay ($5500) and $26,500 in profit sharing and my gross for the year was $244k. Add 12% for 401k and was at $273k. I wouldn't have seen this at Alaska at the time. Even figuring 10% soft time I would have been looking at around 1050 - 1100 hours credit for the year flying with some training pay, 7.5% incentive pay, and a gross around $238k plus 401k contribution. Or roughly $6000 less than what my VX gross was.


And as for hurrying to unionize because we saw the writing on the wall.....well that just shows me that you don't know us at all. We organized because that was the only way we'd have a say in our future.

I suggest the instead of fighting with your brothers you instead join us. None of us have a say in the SLI. It will be what it is. And that's it. Our battle starts in 2020. No more will we cave to management and give any future arbitrator any ammunition to use against us in the next JCBA.

Winter is coming...

 

Not in response to your post, but to the guy questioning your math. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid Alaskan pilots are. Your contract is garbage. We may not have had a contract but our work rules were vastly better than yours and our management actually abided by them. Hourly rates are just that, hourly rates. It’s the contract the pays the bills.. and yours is embarrassingly pathetic-courtesy of your “oh ho hum, this is the best we are gonna get so might as well vote yes” pilots who lack a spine or a pair of balls enough to say no I’m worth more than this.

Would gladly return this “windfall” I received and go back to our system without the most west coast airline.

 

So you concede you should be at least placed with a 8 year Captain? lol DOH it is!

Then you assume that an AS guy doesn't make any 'extras'? Do explain what AS lacked 'at that time' so us youngins can do the math. I'm assuming you are talking 2015 time frame (2007 plus 8 years)?

 

Numbers don't lie. How many days off per month were you averaging when you made $222k? Was your 401K a straight 12% contribution or a combination of Co. match? You said yourself that you worked a lot but what would a reserve pilot in your seniority make? How about someone who averaged 85 credit?

 

Jesus Christ! Isn’t everyone sick of regurgitating the same cud over and over on here? It’s just a seesaw of insults. “VX sucks, no AS sucks, no VX sucks, no AS sucks!” I think basically the same 3 paragraphs have been written repeatedly over the last year with slight variations in the names being called. Haven’t we all progressed through the 5 stages grief yet? It seems some among us are still stuck on stage one, denial. This thing is done and done. All that’s left is the printing of the ISL and painting the airplanes. Everyone on both sides, adapt or die for fux sakes. We’ll never amount to sh!t as one pilot group because we’re still comparing W2’s from 3 years ago instead of forming our attack plan for the future. B n B aren’t gonna pay big boy wages to a bunch of little kids yelling “come at me bro!” on the playground.

 

Seniority list rants never end, because people think that what they say will influence the result and also make them feel better.
It will, of course, do neither.

 

Good point. Remember THIS is the management that was groomed under people like the Bhagwan. He once published a statement in the passenger magazine that Horizon pilots were nothing more than "juvenile delinquents in uniforms."

 

Assuming that the pay rate for a 8 yr CA at Alaska was $202/hr, here's what I come up with:
100 hrs. of pay per month on an average which is quite doable even with our crappy work rules comes out to $242,400. 13.5% straight 401K contribution is $32,724. PBP in 2015 was 10% which puts it at $24,249. This makes the total $299,373 which is greater than your $273k. If part of your 401k is company match (I remember reading somewhere it was 7.5% match), your figure would be even less. Ours was 13.5% straight up from the company. I just wanted to clear some things up.
Hey Knock squared, chill the f-out bro. You're going to stroke out behind the keyboard.

 

Yep getting worked up over things out of our control will only weaken the pilot group and possibly cause early medical outs. Neither is worth it.

 

Trust me guy, I’m far from stroking out. I’ve accepted this merger AND the fact there’s nothing I can do, in all my earthly powers, to change a thing about it. I don’t see the value in anonymous forum fights between pilot groups that are gonna be sharing a cockpit in the very near future. If comparing W2’s from 3 years ago completes you, then fine, I guess there is value in it. I think we’d all benefit from focusing on what our W2’s look like after 2020.