That’s funny. Where I sit, a senior FO at VX, I’ll lose relative seniority and DOH, by at least a year. This is at minimum. Both sides have 6 year upgrades. It should stay that way. AS proposes that I lose almost 3 years of DOH, plus 10% relative. That puts 2015 hires ahead of 2012 VX hires. 2012 seems to be where the playing field evens out, albeit VX was adding capacity while the AS side was basically swapping jets.

 

I don't have a dog in this fight (not AS or VX), but I could swear you wrote a post when this was first announced that you'd be happy anywhere on the combined seniority list. And IIRC, that sentiment was echoed by several VX pilots.

 

Wrong person. I’m also pretty sure that no one from the Redwood side stated anything remotely to that. Nice try though.

 

A great argument for DoH.

 

DOH is the gold standard. That's what the other Virgin groups are getting to my understanding. Just my opinion. No disparities of almost 20 years like in that 15/85 proposal. If that becomes a reality it will be a USAirways/AWA disaster all over again. Hope the arbitrators realize this. I think they do.

 

Swingline is what you should be happy with but I’ll accept DOH to avoid a east vs west part 2 meltdown at Alaskansworld.

 

That only floats for the junior stack. Early 2012 and higher has to be a blend, as purposed by the VX committee. If you look at the ALPA merger policy and compare it to the 2 proposals, VX is the only one in the ballpark, albeit some of the junior side is still off. Just my opinion of course. On another topic, this will be a drop in the bucket from what the company will create when they open the doors to the bases.

 

Yup, be a real shame if the AS folks blocked the jcba, hey....wait a minute

 

Gold Standard? In what decade? When is the last SLI that used DOH? You are setting yourself up for disappointment on this one. There WILL be VX guys with later hire date that will be senior to you. I think there are a lot of AK guys that will be in for a rude awakening when they find out what is fair and equitable.

 

This!

Fact, AS did not save us. They did not buy a limping VX on the verge of bankruptcy. They had to fight to get us. We were attractive enough to other airlines(for whatever reason) who were more than willing to buy us. We would have been just fine without the AS acquisition.

Fact, on average VX's combined hourly rate, 401K, Scheduling and QOL provisions worked out to be better than AS's for pilots with equal longevity.

Fact, we were the cooler airline..... I kid, I kid..... Lol

So when some of our AS brothers come on to the forum with their superiority complex suggesting we won the lottery and should be grateful.... That thar is fight'n words y'all! Arghhh Lol

Hence as KnockKnock says, the circle goes round and round....

Some of us give and get some jabs without taking it seriously, but some of our brothers are having heart attacks, frothing at the mouth, and popping blood vessels and generally embarrassing themselves and their fraternities past and present.

Wouldn't be surprised if they've been a few sick calls as a result! Lol