Originally Posted by rickair7777

Maybe. Longshoremen and merchant Mariners don't give longevity credit to retired military who join their ranks.

Military culture is useful in airline aviation. Maybe give partial credit for the first ten years? After that you have to pick your poison... a 30 year O6 might be a more effective organizational leader and executive, but he doesn't bring three times the pilot skill or cultural value to the table compared to an O3.

Originally Posted by Xray678

A national list, let alone a national list base on 121 DOH, will never happen.

Originally Posted by flywest

Really did the VX guy just call the an "OG" a uneducated hack. Longevity/DOH is back in play. Read the transcripts. I'm also entitled to an opinion. DOH is the gold standard. We shall see what the arbitrators say.

Originally Posted by Just a Lurker

Why does anyone bother engage these idiots? It’s obvious they haven’t read S-10s, SEC filings, the acquisition documents, the SLI transcripts, etc, etc. They’re just making crap up, or regurgitating rumors and nonsense they hear in cockpits as fact. For example, Iif you read the documents, Alaska approached VX first. Once VX’s board decided to sell, they went out and whipped up competition eventually gaining four more parties that drove the price up. They were hedge fund managers after all and knew the game.

The basic problem with some posters on here is that they are angry they aren’t guaranteed a windfall from AS acquiring VX. We are all just pilots flying from A to B and back. Whether your company makes a lot of money, acquires someone, merges, gets acquired, or fails, or gains routes and makes more money because someone else fails, it’s got NOTHING to do with you. Alaska did well for a long time. So what, it’s got nothing to do with how well the pilots flew. You didn't outfly the boys at Pan Am, TWA, etc. Alaska acquired VX, guess what, once again it had nothing to do with how well you flew. AND, get this, just because MANAGEMENT acquires someone doesn’t mean PILOTS get any benefits. A lot of guys on here seem to think there was something in this merger for them. Nope, your just a pilot. No different than a pilot whose company failed. Or who got acquired. ANY corporate level business decision could be good or bad for pilots. We are all just in it for the ride. That’s how a career as labor works. You want to make personal gains through corporate acquisitions, you’d best join management.

Originally Posted by VirginEskimo

The “uneducated hack” refers the consensus of economists’ opinions on the use of the “gold standard” in financial matters, not anyone advocating for the use of DOH for SLI purposes. It specifically applies to Senator Ted Cruz who advocated for a return to the “Gold Standard” during the presidential debates. I just found the repeated use of the term itself ironic since, in it’s original meaning, it is widely discredited. Hardly trying to start a food fight over the SLI. As I said before, my only take on the SLI is that we all paid some pretty big assessments for legal representation and we should all switch our rallying cry to “Let the arbitrators do their jobs” My apologies if anyone thought I was calling them a hack.

Onward and upward

Originally Posted by Xray678

Actually Part 135 or military could get doubly hosed. Do you really think a retired military pilot who gets hired at DL, UAL, FDX should have the same seniority as a kid with the bare minimum hours who gets hired at Cape Air the same day?

Originally Posted by Baradium

Do you even know what the difference is between a part 121 operator and part 135?


Sorry, that was a rhetorical question... I already know you don't because Cape Air isn't a part 121 carrier.

Originally Posted by Xray678

Yes I do know the difference. Do you? Most of Cape Air is Pt 135, but Cape Air operates under Pt 121 out of Guam flying ATRs. I specifically chose that example because they have both 135 and 121 ops.

Originally Posted by Baradium

I was under the impression it was already shut down, but in any case it is shutting down shortly. I do, however, apologize for the oversight.