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Old 05-15-2018 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
DOH is one of the least used factors in mergers over the last 30 years. When it has played a major roll in list construction it’s typically accompanied with long tall fences.
The arbitrators should look at what pilots can hold, and those pilots should be placed with pilots holding the same equipment. So Captains merged together and FO’s merged together.
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Old 05-15-2018 | 02:48 PM
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Mea25000 told me that the arbitrator is going to dock 5% seniority from anyone using the term "OG". -- True story
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Old 05-16-2018 | 09:21 AM
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Has anyone looked at the UAL/Continental merger... Two ALPA groups, so probably expect same cookie cutter merger results?
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Old 05-16-2018 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
Has anyone looked at the UAL/Continental merger... Two ALPA groups, so probably expect same cookie cutter merger results?
Same with DL/NWA
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Old 05-16-2018 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ispeakjive
Mea25000 told me that the arbitrator is going to dock 5% seniority from anyone using the term "OG". -- True story
I think you misunderstood OG are getting a 5% bump in seniority plus an extra 5% added to the lump sum retirement payout! It's a win win for the OG's!
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Old 05-16-2018 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by svergin
The arbitrators should look at what pilots can hold, and those pilots should be placed with pilots holding the same equipment. So Captains merged together and FO’s merged together.
No. These two airlines are apples and oranges due to age. I would be #1 at VA but by choice am 50% FO at Alaska. I like how Kelly did it SWA.
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Old 05-16-2018 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Moose
No. These two airlines are apples and oranges due to age. I would be #1 at VA but by choice am 50% FO at Alaska. I like how Kelly did it SWA.
Stick around, you may get to be on the receiving end of that yourself.
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Old 05-16-2018 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Just a Lurker
And a hypothetical 787 acquisition is irrelevant as it wasn’t expected and both sides could play that game.
That was in response to the premise that it won’t matter to anyone as long as you maintain you relative position. Those are two situations where it will matter. While I agree there is some unfairness that the number-1 VX CA isn’t going to be number-1 anymore, it is also unfair that the VX proposal puts guys on the SLI in spots where they barely had their first pubic hair when the guys around them on the seniority list were hired at Alaska.
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Old 05-17-2018 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AltoCumulus
That was in response to the premise that it won’t matter to anyone as long as you maintain you relative position. Those are two situations where it will matter. While I agree there is some unfairness that the number-1 VX CA isn’t going to be number-1 anymore, it is also unfair that the VX proposal puts guys on the SLI in spots where they barely had their first pubic hair when the guys around them on the seniority list were hired at Alaska.
That last statement is BS. The average age of CAs I fly with would be in their 50s. Current guy I'm flying with flew for Eastern in the 80s. Also flown with plenty of ex-ATA, Aloha, Midwest, etc.

Just get over it. The list will be out in 4 months and none of us can change how it comes out or what the result will be.
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Old 05-17-2018 | 02:32 AM
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Actually there are a handful of pilots here at VX who basically skipped a step or two and got hired super young who are now very senior. It’s not fair in a sense, but pilots don’t hire pilots, and it would be more unfair to punish everyone below them on the list. There will be individual winners and losers, there always are. .. I’m also curious why Moose thinks he could have been #1 at Virgin. Did he have 10,000 hours and a bunch of Airbus PIC time in 2006?
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