TRUE... but guess what, get over it...

 

all the angst and bitterness that is building around this is crazy. I could see it if this airline was a quality career but it isnt and it never was. It is like fighting over which Denny’s you are going to work at. It is just a job. It doesn’t matter whether you are number 1 at Dennys or number 2000 it is still Dennys. Crazy misplaced ego you all have

 

Longevity is not given more weight per say via the ALPA merger policy. It is one of the the three items required to be considered in designing an SLI. In the past several mergers longevity has been used with different weights. Most of them have used around a 15% weight. Which was the VX side proposal. The AS side proposed a 70% weight I believe.

The proposals are very long and would be impossible to post here. But to give you the gist of them...

Alaska says that VX pilots received a huge windfall by getting to become Alaska pilots and adopting their contrat. That they have massive advantage in longevity and that should be primary. Except for their first officers which should get special feathering above VX first officers despite lower longevity.

Virgin side says that although weight should be allowed for longevity a more consistent hybrid model should be used set of past precedents. That carry through the whole list.

Both sides put in captain seat protections.

The proposals create a pretty diverse results depending on where you are on the list. There is no point in predicting because depending on the decision you could see a very different outcome.

Everyone is going to be irritated about the final list. So honestly this discussion is pointless.

 

It’s hard to get over a stalled career.

 

I agree with you yet again... do something about it! You can’t change the Arbitrators ruling but you can control how you will feel/behave.

Are you
A. going to be miserable or
B. get over it, move on, apply elsewhere if need be... it’s a choice

Think about it, the only one that will be truly “happy” is the #1 Pilot on the combined list, everyone else will probably loose out at varying degrees😉

 

Hard to find someone in the airline industry who can't claim a stalled career. Consider yourself lucky if you're just stalled and not furloughed, or worse out on the street starting over. The only possible exception I can think of is FedEx.

 

If Alaska doesn’t put a rudder on this ship we’ll probably all get furloughed

 

OCCP will for sure be miserable. Already is and is the most negative toxic poster on here. Imagine what that's like in the cockpit?
For me...I'll get over it and move on and deal with it as it comes. Happiness is a choice. Dealing with negative things in life is a constant struggle everyone goes through..some deal with it better than others.

 

UAL said the same thing in our merger and didn’t get it. “Superior airline” isn’t part of merger policy either. Everyone stayed within 5% of their same seniority percentage despite United having almost 4 times the number of widebody airplanes.

Even with longevity weighted at 35% I was placed with a United pilot hired 7+ years before me. Zero United pilots who were placed senior to me are younger than me.

I hate to tell you, but if you’re banking on longevity to be heavily weighted, its not going to be. I’d be shocked to see anyone move more than 5-10% anywhere on your list.

 

Exactly! Look at the last 4 mergers and with the exception of WN (special circuumstance) relative seniority was king😉.