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Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2596065)

I have been asked to refrain from engaging on this subject as it is highly controversial. This will be my last post on this subject. People are so emotional charged, no one thinks or acts logical. This is my first merger, it will not be my last. In the next merger the VX pilots will be represented by B&K. Alaska’s proposal will be adopted almost in its entirety, except for the backend feathering. Everyones longevity will be respected, including the VX pilots. Closing JFK is a tough pill to swallow, it will have the biggest impact on the VX pilot group, not the ISL. In base no one will be impacted by this merger, nothing will change. No captain will be reduced to a FO. Your bidding power will be unaffected. Scheduling, well that is a totally different subject and most likely will not be fixed until the next negotiations. I don’t think there is one Alaska pilot happy with our proposal, I doubt there are many VX pilots happy with the Alaska proposal. In the end, if this outcome sends you into fits of rage you need to move on. Everyone is hiring, there is a very real possibility you could find your new seniority number, at your new company, rendering you a significantly better career. Good luck to everyone, we will all be OK.

I love getting handed a Trump Card... thx😉

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Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2596223)

Just so I understand, you are saying that the arbitrator will roll almost fully in favor of the Alaska proposal? Is that what you are saying?

But he also says that your bidding power will be unaffected which, if true, can only mean relative. MEA is saying two different t things that are diametrically opposed to each other.

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Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2596347)

Really? Ask Airways East how the arbitrator viewed their out of the earth proposal.

How bought who in that case. In this case, what dose VX expect? 3 bites of the apple. Pay a robust contract, and skip to the top of Alaska's list. Who's over reaching? We shall see shortly.

Robust contract?
Hahahaha that’s a good one.

Robust manure pile is more accurate

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Originally Posted by flywest (Post 2596371)

How bought who in that case. In this case, what dose VX expect? 3 bites of the apple. Pay a robust contract, and skip to the top of Alaska's list. Who's over reaching? We shall see shortly.

Let’s see, VX didn’t propose to skip to the top of the list, while AS basically proposed for a pseudo staple like application. In fact, the VX proposal has me losing in both longevity and relative. Yeah that’s a win right there. The contract we inherited is a joke, albeit the payrates that we all received. The scheduling section is a joke and the only thing positive is the vacation, which is still worth less than industry standard. AS touted superiority. AS needs to come out of hibernation and realize the only superior thing is the tailstands holding up those 707s, I mean 727s, no I actually mean 737. 🤔😏.

Yes, we will see.

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Originally Posted by Max Thrust (Post 2596382)

Robust manure pile is more accurate

So what was this non-binding rule book then? DAL contract 2.0 give me a break.

The VX “contract” has no bearing on whether or not the AS contract is a robust pile of manure

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Originally Posted by flywest (Post 2596396)

So what was this non-binding rule book then? DAL contract 2.0 give me a break.

JetBlue’s first contract is going to make our “legacy” contract look like a joke. But, what can we expect? It’s alaska we are dealing with, ah it’s okay I drive to work, I go where they tell me to go, it’s the arbitrators fault, I’m happy with what they give me, it’s pointless we’ll lose anyways. Ignorance, defeatist attitude and apathy are the reasons we have what we have. It’s time to pull our collective heads out of our a**** and focus on 2020. Stop the SLI bickering, nothing you say here changes anything.

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Originally Posted by Flaps1check (Post 2596415)

Ok I need help. I am failing to see your exuberance with the B6 contract. They will make .47 cents more an hour then me. By this time next year I will be making $2 and a half dollars more then them, on an arbitrated award. From that point they will trail the behind SWA, the #4 contract, at a rate of 3% a year. In 2020 rates at SWA 283 to 269 at B6. Medical still garbage, 5hr day Ok, long term med garbage, scope ok but honestly I think scope is a waste of time, my opinion only. Still well done B6 but you fade fast during robust times. What is there to crow about though. You don’t think the big 3 and SWA are coming in well above this really really soon?

Or do you just like to dog Alaska?