Airline Pilot Central Forums - Seniority Proposals

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)

- Alaska (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alaska/)

- - Seniority Proposals (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alaska/112806-seniority-proposals.html)

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2596435)

scope ok but honestly I think scope is a waste of time, my opinion only.

The point where all rational pilots stopped reading

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2596435)

Ok I need help. I am failing to see your exuberance with the B6 contract. They will make .47 cents more an hour then me. By this time next year I will be making $2 and a half dollars more then them, on an arbitrated award. From that point they will trail the behind SWA, the #4 contract, at a rate of 3% a year. In 2020 rates at SWA 283 to 269 at B6. Medical still garbage, 5hr day Ok, long term med garbage, scope ok but honestly I think scope is a waste of time, my opinion only. Still well done B6 but you fade fast during robust times. What is there to crow about though. You don’t think the big 3 and SWA are coming in well above this really really soon?

Or do you just like to dog Alaska?

You’re boasting on about an arbitrated award? Seriously? Do you really want to compare what B6 achieved in its short union existence compared to AS? Do you think you’re gonna get something grand in 2020 with an arbitration clause in the contract? It’s your comments that makes AS look like a dog. How about just saying they did a great job and that you hope 2020 will bring the same fortunes to AS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerPilot007 (Post 2596375)

Well done JetBlue! After 15 years in business, and with your first contract, you were able to get more than Alaska has in 85 years! 🤦*♂️

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmrflyer (Post 2596409)

Well done JetBlue. First contract. Scope, pay, health care, scheduling etc etc all the things no one can get in their first contract.
Amazing.

No these comments wear me out. Bag on the AS pilots. Arbitration clause, what are you talking about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Red (Post 2596358)

But he also says that your bidding power will be unaffected which, if true, can only mean relative. MEA is saying two different t things that are diametrically opposed to each other.

I think he meant the bidding power will remain the same because Airbus guys will be bidding amongst themselves as will the 737 guys..

Your overall System Seniority will change but in practical terms your Base/Aircraft Seniority will remain unchanged. At least for a few months (years?)....

That's how I read it....

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2596435)

You've made it all too obvious that it's not "Alaska management is hard as nails" like you all have been claiming - It's the pilot group that is preventing a solid contract.

Truth of the matter, you don't want a good contract. You don't see value in it. Scope? You're at the top of the list, it's worthless. Good work rules? Can't see that on a spreadsheet - worthless. You want a subpar contract so you can keep getting invites to Brad's summer cookouts.

Thanks for making it abundantly clear to us.

Looks like 737 drivers get to enjoy the transcon redeyes and HI for 13/hour less than JB pilots. Congrats JB! Nice first contract.

Any idea when the arbitrators will Rule on a final seniority list?

Quote:

Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2598415)

Any idea when the arbitrators will Rule on a final seniority list?

No later than 09/13... So, at 1700 Pacific time on 09/13. At least it's not a Sunday this time around. :mad:

Can someone post each group’s proposal to the arbitrator?

Is longevity given a higher weighting in the combined list?

It’s going to be a disaster no matter what the outcome is. One big fat ****ed off pilot group.