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MusicPilot 04-29-2018 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2582654)
That doesn’t answer the question about the supposed windfall for the top VA guys. They were bidding top 1% and won’t be after integration. Not saying 20 year AAG pilots deserve having people put above them, but if their relative seniority does not decrease they won’t lose ground, because their bidding power remains the same.
I don’t think any AAG loses relative seniority, or any VA pilot will gain relative seniority in the VA proposal, but I will happily be corrected by anyone who knows better.


I believe the VX proposal has most losing relative seniority and gaining in longevity. Then there’s some VX pilots who lose both.

KnockKnock 04-29-2018 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2582641)
Not quite sure what list you’re looking at.

Seattle BPL has a Jr CA with seniority # 1304. He is a 2/5/14 hire.

rickair7777 04-29-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2582674)
I believe the VX proposal has most losing relative seniority and gaining in longevity. Then there’s some VX pilots who lose both.


Gaining longevity??? The company is going to grant years of service to VX pilots in accordance with where they land on the final approved list?

Longevity is only good for vacation accrual and nonrev priority anyway.

YXnot 04-29-2018 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2582685)
Gaining longevity??? The company is going to grant years of service to VX pilots in accordance with where they land on the final approved list?



Longevity is only good for vacation accrual and nonrev priority anyway.

To the first question.....Absolutely NOT!

And any VX guys will never have ANY change to their longevity regardless of where they are placed on the list. They will always be at a disadvantage to their longer tenured AS cohorts.

Lets look at what each proposal does to the junior CA at VX.

In the VX proposal 20 CA from the snapshot are pushed below the CA stovepipe line which then places 20 AS FO's into their position.

In the AS proposal the number of VX CA's pushed below the CA stovepipe line as of snapshot is increased to 137 with the same number of AS FO's then residing above the stovepipe line.

Obviously the VX side is much more exposed to harm with the possibility of base closure, vacancy bids, and probable reduction in the Airbus fleet, if not a complete elimination of the Airbus. Not to mention operating with a management group who has the ultimate latitude with ZERO scope protections.

Ala5ka 04-29-2018 12:35 PM

You all need to find some hobbies other than internet. Like finding out this sweet screen name was still available.

Jetlife 04-29-2018 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2582736)
You all need to find some hobbies other than internet. Like finding out this sweet screen name was still available.

Internet: you won!

Well done sir!

AtlCSIP 04-29-2018 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2582641)
Not quite sure what list you’re looking at.

The final award published in the Alaska Pilots company website. 2/2014 for Boeing.

Chuckie 04-29-2018 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2582736)
You all need to find some hobbies other than internet. Like finding out this sweet screen name was still available.

First post win! :D:D:D Admins, you can close this thread now.

Ala5ka 04-29-2018 07:45 PM

Thank you thank you, I couldn't have done it without the continuing frustrations brought on by our dear leaders!!!! Thank you and goodnight!

Originally Posted by Chuckie (Post 2582870)
First post win! :D:D:D Admins, you can close this thread now.


Excargodog 04-29-2018 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2582736)
You all need to find some hobbies other than internet. Like finding out this sweet screen name was still available.

So Ala$ka was already taken..?


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