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MusicPilot 04-30-2018 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 2582845)
The final award published in the Alaska Pilots company website. 2/2014 for Boeing.


You’re looking at a future estimated list. I’m going off of the last updated seniority list. You also have to remember that prior to the snapshot date VX was the one growing. There was more to gain at VX. Then AS management accelerated that growth and then slammed on the brakes. Now they’ll have to slam it on again as we don’t have the proper staffing for line bidding.

Either way, management is loving that our unity is slowly breaking apart. Just wait until they open the bases and planes etc.

KnockKnock 04-30-2018 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2583001)
You’re looking at a future estimated list. I’m going off of the last updated seniority list. You also have to remember that prior to the snapshot date VX was the one growing. There was more to gain at VX. Then AS management accelerated that growth and then slammed on the brakes. Now they’ll have to slam it on again as we don’t have the proper staffing for line bidding.

Either way, management is loving that our unity is slowly breaking apart. Just wait until they open the bases and planes etc.

It’s not an estimate. The Seattle, June, Base Position List has a 2/5/14 CA on it. The seniority lists are only updated twice a year. They’re out of date the day after they’re posted. AS was experiencing some of its greatest growth in terms of hiring from 2013-2016. We had plenty to gain at AS. There’s no reason our unity should be breaking apart. It’s up to each one of us to not allow things that are out of our control to destroy a solidified pilot group.

Packrat 04-30-2018 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2582654)
because their bidding power remains the same.

That may be valid in a PBS system, but AS doesn't have that. In a line bidding based system, EVERY number senior to you has a dramatic effect on your "bidding power." It can certainly mean the difference between a 20 day off line bidding mid-continent turns and double BOS layovers that require a commute the day before, a hotel in between and a commute at the end with 12 days off.

YXnot 04-30-2018 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2582674)
I believe the VX proposal has most losing relative seniority and gaining in longevity. Then there’s some VX pilots who lose both.

Some more numbers: Taking the #1 VX pilot

VX proposal has this pilot moving from 0% on the list to 4% down after sli.
The AS pilot directly below is also at 4% after, but previously held a spot 7% down the AS snapshot list.

AS proposal has #1 VX pilot moving to 22% down after sli.
The AS pilot directly below is also now 22% after previously holding a spot 38% down the AS snapshot list.

*using 2850 as post sli denominator

symbian simian 04-30-2018 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2583197)
That may be valid in a PBS system, but AS doesn't have that. In a line bidding based system, EVERY number senior to you has a dramatic effect on your "bidding power." It can certainly mean the difference between a 20 day off line bidding mid-continent turns and double BOS layovers that require a commute the day before, a hotel in between and a commute at the end with 12 days off.

Nope, If the total group grows and you have the same relative seniority you will be able to hold the same trips as the total number of lines will be adjusted (more hard lines, more build ups, more reserve). Line bidding in the family since 1998.

python 04-30-2018 01:39 PM

seniority_list documentation — seniority_list 0.62 documentation

PokerPilot007 05-01-2018 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2582674)
I believe the VX proposal has most losing relative seniority and gaining in longevity. Then there’s some VX pilots who lose both.

I lose 10% on the list and lose 33% of my longevity. Please tell me how I'm hitting the lottery?? I would have been better off with DOH!

MusicPilot 05-01-2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by PokerPilot007 (Post 2583978)
I lose 10% on the list and lose 33% of my longevity. Please tell me how I'm hitting the lottery?? I would have been better off with DOH!


I’m referring to the VX side.

Ray Red 05-01-2018 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by PokerPilot007 (Post 2583978)
I lose 10% on the list and lose 33% of my longevity. Please tell me how I'm hitting the lottery?? I would have been better off with DOH!

How on earth can a SLI produce a decrease in longevity for anyone?

2loud 05-01-2018 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by PokerPilot007 (Post 2583978)
I lose 10% on the list and lose 33% of my longevity. Please tell me how I'm hitting the lottery?? I would have been better off with DOH!

Better to lose 10% than being on a street corner. Best case, y'all would have been in the mix with dysfunctional B6. You think eskimo is dysfunctional, spend some time over there. Y'all won the jackpot so quit your whining. I'd go with DOH but a Swingline is more suitable.

Originally Posted by Ray Red (Post 2584012)
How on earth can a SLI produce a decrease in longevity for anyone?

Some pilots are sharp as a bowling ball, that's why.


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