Originally Posted by 2loud (Post 2578355)

It's true that there are quite a bit of spineless Gig Harbor seniors but to say VX pilots have backbone, pfffft, give me a break! With the exception of few older pilots who just wanted to finish out their careers, y'all went to a non-union start up LCC who's one and only goal was to undercut every west coast airline, especially Alaskan Airways. And now that your biggest competitor rescued y'all from going bye bye in the same boat as Aloha, you somehow feel entitled to retain relative seniority? At best, it should have been a staple or date of hire.

Originally Posted by 2loud (Post 2578355)

y'all went to a non-union start up LCC who's one and only goal was to undercut every west coast airline, especially Alaskan Airways.

Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 2578468)

You appear to be misinformed. Virgin America may have undercut on TICKET PRICES on certain segments (but what airline doesn't), but they didn't do it by paying low wages. The Virgin America pay rates were some of the highest of a startup airline in recent history. They also voted ALAP in pretty quickly. The Virgin America pilot group accomplished a lot more than most other pilot groups in a very short period of time.

Originally Posted by 2loud (Post 2578517)

You should really double check your general knowledge. You claim that your pay rates may have been some of the highest among startup LCCs but they were well below that of any legacy and major airlines. Correct me if I'm wrong but your 401k was 7.5% matching + 4.5% company contribution which was way below any respectable airline as well. VX pilot group voted in ALPA only a few months before the acquisition was announced. I'd hardly call that "quickly". Care to share with us all of VX pilot group's achievements besides not having a contract? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Originally Posted by 2loud (Post 2578355)

It's true that there are quite a bit of spineless Gig Harbor seniors but to say VX pilots have backbone, pfffft, give me a break!

Originally Posted by Caveman (Post 2578571)

What date/year did the VX pilot group organize into a formal labor group?

What was the attrition rate of the bottom 25% of the VX seniority list to other employers?

Originally Posted by IFlyEm (Post 2578617)

I made more making $185/HR than I would have made with the Alaska scale ($202) and work rules.

Originally Posted by IFlyEm (Post 2578624)

Before the ALPA vote there was VAPA drive 2 years earlier that would have passed with ease but there was a technicality issue on the cards. So for the first time in history the NMB allowed us to withdraw our petition in order to reset the 12 mo clock earlier. Aside of that when we brought ALPA on board we had the fastest card card drive and highest yay vote in the history of ALPA.

Maybe you need to step off your high horse and learn about who's joining your team. We're a salty bunch and won't be rolling over for anything. That I can assure you. Hence the FUPM sentiment among us.

Originally Posted by 2loud (Post 2578636)

I'd check your math. Pre-acquisiton pay on Alaskan's side was $216 and $180ish at VX. Post-acquisition was $251 and now $258ish. These are TOS and I understand that VX didn't have anyone on 12th year scale. You'd have to be a premium trip sellout to make over $70/hr more. Regardless of your work rules, the numbers just don't add up.


I shot and ate my horse a long time ago. You had the fastest card drive because y'all saw the writing on the wall. VX was limping along like a badly wounded bambi and the wolves would have torn y'all to pieces. Only time will tell and your saltiness may come out but I have my doubts. Y'all sound fairly self righteous so I'm sure you'll fit right in along with the rest of the ALPO schmucks.

Originally Posted by 2loud (Post 2578517)

You should really double check your general knowledge. You claim that your pay rates may have been some of the highest among startup LCCs but they were well below that of any legacy and major airlines. Correct me if I'm wrong but your 401k was 7.5% matching + 4.5% company contribution which was way below any respectable airline as well. VX pilot group voted in ALPA only a few months before the acquisition was announced. I'd hardly call that "quickly". Care to share with us all of VX pilot group's achievements besides not having a contract? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Originally Posted by Caveman (Post 2578571)

What date/year did the VX pilot group organize into a formal labor group?

What was the attrition rate of the bottom 25% of the VX seniority list to other employers?