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QOL is everything, the vx guys are taking a massive kick in the nuts. I’m surprised they aren’t more ****ed off than they already are.
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Originally Posted by IFlyEm
(Post 2579591)
No I don't believe VX is worse off. I hope that in the long run the merger benefits us all. I just want to see mutual respect. We're all just pawns in this game and I wouldn't be surprised if there is another merger in our near future.
Originally Posted by AJ Crowley
(Post 2579596)
Yes, with the exception of pay. How much is quality of life worth? To me a lot more than pay, and we are taking a massive qol hit.
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Who agreed to your section 25?
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Originally Posted by cmrflyer
(Post 2579624)
Who agreed to your section 25?
Section 25 wasn’t discussed during the JCBA. Section 25 was completely gutted in favor of management during the Kasher arbitration in ‘05. With exception of the -900 pay, this pilot group has been screwed in arbitration EVERY single time. Alaskan WDs chose to voluntarily take it up the anus in ‘08 (80%+) and ‘13 (60%+). You can 1. Blame the ignorant and selfish gizzards and 2. ALPO national & the MEC for shoving it down the throats of these ignorant and selfish gizzards who were dumb enough to fall for their sales pitch. Fortunately for this pilot group, we are slowly beginning to outnumber these WDs due to attrition. |
Yes entirely worse. Once we go to line bidding and your horrible schedules everyone who commutes from 3+hours away is going to instantly lose all quality of life. No hourly pay can make up for the loss of ability to be home for 10 days at a time and stack trips. Looking forward to watching my kids grow up through pictures now thanks to Alaska. So again, yes much worse.
Originally Posted by 2loud
(Post 2579585)
I’m guilty I know. I’m having a little fun with y’all but kidding aside, I mean what I say. Look at it from an objective view. Can you honestly say that y’all are truly worse off at Alaskan vs VX, emotions aside? That’s all. I get it. The beat down gets old.
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Originally Posted by opdeliber
(Post 2579632)
Yes entirely worse. Once we go to line bidding and your horrible schedules everyone who commutes from 3+hours away is going to instantly lose all quality of life. No hourly pay can make up for the loss of ability to be home for 10 days at a time and stack trips. Looking forward to watching my kids grow up through pictures now thanks to Alaska. So again, yes much worse.
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Originally Posted by 2loud
(Post 2579621)
I get it. You have a valid point.
From the start, TPA and eventually the JCBA, I was screaming from the top of my lungs that Section 25-Scheduling needed to be gutted. Once again, ALPO got suckered into just 4 sections and eventually got reamed in arbitration once again. No surprise there. These guys never learn. We really need to clean house. And NO, PBS is not the answer. PBS can be up for discussion only after Section 25 has been gutted and exponentially improved for the pilot group. 2020 is right around the corner. Fights on! |
You’re all f’ing unbelievably childish.
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Originally Posted by MiLtoMajor123
(Post 2579453)
Okay then...if it's out of our hands....why are VX peeps acting like they aren't getting a HUGE deal (based on what has been presented) and acting like this is a 100% even merger and not the defacto acquisition like it is? I get it....we need to be solidified for the contract.....that will happen. But trying to stomach a pilot group who doesn't act humble at the end of the day doesn't bode well for integration. You can't tell me AS is going to get a "fair" deal out of this any way shape or form. Our Furloughed guys are getting double bent over and some have the gall to say being put next to a guy who was hired 10-18 years before them is fair....... absolutely ridiculous. The icing on the cake was when someone then says AS's proposal is shooting for the Moon??? I would hope such a ludicrous statement is Trolling, which I would respect, or it's a complete sense of selfish entitlement not based in reality which is kind of scary.
This is a wash unless you are a commuter or JFK based at VA in which case it’s a total disaster. I’m not sure what Alaska guys are losing other than a couple seniority slots at worst. The VA acquisition at least means some mainline growth as opposed to the continued outsourcing of the majority of Alaska’s new flying to QX/OO. Seems like the Virgin guys are losing big time on QOL and potential base closures. Both groups gained pay rates/retirement from the arbitrated JCBA which wouldn’t have happened for either group if A) AS wouldn’t have acquired VA, and B) VA wouldn’t have been a desirable acquisition target. Alaska basically got a mid cycle pay raise and VA got a pay raise about 1-2 years earlier than they would have under the RLA. One thing is clear... nobody “won the lottery” here. |
Originally Posted by 2loud
(Post 2579638)
I can’t speak for the bus schedule except that it’s probably going to get worse for y’all. It’s tough to build efficient and commutable trips without transcons/long hauls. With bus slotted to do more west coat flying, that’ll throw even more fuel to the fire. Y’all may think I’m cold and sarcastic but my heart goes out to y’all commuters and especially to JFK based pilots. These are all growing pains and we’ll all feel it to certain extent though not as painful as the VX side. Btw, I still think y’all should have been Swinglined.:D
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