You've said it, there's nothing you can do so let's all just relax. I've been a lurker on this forum for a while and it doesn't take a genius to see this is just that, another public forum. There are many differing styles and personalities on here but if you can set your emotions aside and read between the lines, there are some useful information. Believe it or not, even the most sarcastic members point out something worthwhile. You nor I can change the infighting. Think about growing up with your siblings. When it really matters I'm confident we'll all work as one voice but I say let people vent and share their thoughts on this forum.

While 100/HR per month average might be doable I haven't seen it in the first 5 months this year and I'm a high time flier. Either way my post wasn't meant to be a d%#k measuring contest. It was simply refuting the assumption that VX benefited exponentially more with the merger and in doing so should take a hit with the SLI.

As I said, fighting amongst ourselves is a horrible waste of time. The SLI will be decided by the arbitrators and it will be what it will be.

Time to look to 2020 and focus on that...unless we have another JCBA before then.

I agree with you on the exchange of ideas and letting off steam but some have been venting the same putrid exhaust for well over a year now. The name calling and belittling from both sides holds no value. If we expect to be treated as professional adults by B n B, we’d better start acting the part. I’ve said it before, if this company make someone entirely unhappy they have three options. 1.) Elect new representation in the hopes they fight for better. 2.) Become the representative and fight to fix what you feel is broken. 3.) leave the company. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but that’s all they are, opinions formed through individual eyes. The facts remain regardless if we believe them or not. AS bought VX. VX no longer exists. The pilot groups will be merged. We will all feel the effects some way or another and no matter who made what 1,2,3 years ago, we’re all tied to the same scale now and will be from here on out. I advocate we funnel the animosity into action for a better future.

AMEN BROTHER!!! Best post of this thread. 2020 is coming soon... we need to stay focused downrange on the big threat... S. C. O. P. E. !!

2020 stay unified !!!

Okay then...if it's out of our hands....why are VX peeps acting like they aren't getting a HUGE deal (based on what has been presented) and acting like this is a 100% even merger and not the defacto acquisition like it is? I get it....we need to be solidified for the contract.....that will happen. But trying to stomach a pilot group who doesn't act humble at the end of the day doesn't bode well for integration. You can't tell me AS is going to get a "fair" deal out of this any way shape or form. Our Furloughed guys are getting double bent over and some have the gall to say being put next to a guy who was hired 10-18 years before them is fair....... absolutely ridiculous. The icing on the cake was when someone then says AS's proposal is shooting for the Moon??? I would hope such a ludicrous statement is Trolling, which I would respect, or it's a complete sense of selfish entitlement not based in reality which is kind of scary.

Really? Act humble? I think most, if not all of us here at VX want to work WITH our fellow pilots at AS and we look at each other as equals. It’s a long fall down from that high horse, bud.

SOME VX peeps, who happen to live in the right place, may be getting a good deal. Most are losing some things, and gaining some other things. Whether the balance is gain, loss, or wash depends on the individuals circumstances.

The commuters who live east of the divide are are going to suffer a severe QOL hit as their schedules become non-commutable.

The folks in NY who can't relocate are facing catastrophe. They did take a job at a west coast airline, so there was risk but AS is (probably) going make the risk a reality.

Few if any AS pilots will suffer severe impacts to their pre-merger situation, and more than a few will make out as they transition to an airplane that's nice to fly, or start enjoying efficient long legs on the 73. All got an early raise, and more options long term.

I have no dog in the fight, but that's how I see it.

Mil, I absolutely get that this acquisition/merger has huge implications on all of our QOL. Everything is changing and most of us fear change. However, you know as well as I, that there is a constructive way and a destructive way of dealing with our new reality. I agree that there are going to be pilots among us that are going to feel the effects of this whole thing more than others. This industry is a total role of the dice. Most of us have horror stories over the last decade +. This includes VX guys that have also gone through furloughs, mergers, acquisitions and companies folding. The thing is, none of this has been brought about by either pilot group. We’re just the pawns. We get sacrificed first to save the king, (Shareholders). This is AAG’s doing and it’s really not our job to enforce humility upon another pilot group. As I said, all of this is subjective and the opinions formed are those of each individual and no amount of berating, belittling, name calling or placing blame on either side will change those opinions or the outcome. As far as VX wanting to get the best deal possible regarding the ISL.....wouldn’t you want our guys to fight for the best outcome for us if AS was acquired by another company. If Delta bought us tomorrow, would you really say, “hey guys, since we got to come up to your pay scale, it’s o.k. to go ahead and staple us to the bottom of your list”? Of course not and neither would I. Regardless of where you, I or anyone else thinks all the pilots should fall on a list, the outcome is out of our hands and we’re going to be expected to show up to work the next day and carry on as usual. I really hope the two groups can move past this and work towards meaningful improvements in the next year and a half.

I think what Mil2Major is saying is there are VX pilots on here, albeit probably the minority given their entire pilot group, are mouthing off on how they are coequals to this acquisition. Many of them started the dick measuring contest and then turned the tables blaming Alaska pilots. Both sides will suffer in QOL but relatively speaking, the VX side has benefited far more than the Alaska pilots, especially effecting junior pilots such as myself. And let's not even get started with the our pilots who were furloughed. I get that both sides will be shooting for the moon with the SLI but given the situation, VX side is overreaching in my opinion. I can't for the life of me see any benefits for junior pilots on the Alaska side. I don't care to fly the bus or do transcons and my pay raise wasn't all that great especially compared to what VX pilots got. Shoulda woulda coulda but I should have gone somewhere else.
Here's a hypothetical question for the VX guys. How would you feel if VX purchased a 7 month old dying start up airline and demanded relative seniority?

How long have you been at AS? 1 year? Why don't you let the adult's discuss the issues at hand. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is embarrassing for the AS guys. Just stop and go back to your corner newbie. You're going to be slotted with the people after December 2016 anyway...