So Freund et al in the AA integration were arguing for adoption of the Nicolau award for the E/W pilots. The same Nicolau award that is now, in the words of the VX attorney " now apparently the worst thing since
the -- the bubonic plague in terms of the disparities between longevity of pilots"

The AA panel rejected using the Nicolau award and instead joined the East and West pilots using a 15/85 hybrid, and right after that they joined this group with the AA crowd using, wait for it, 15/85 hybrid.

If the 15/85 hybrid gets used. Look out it won't be pretty. This is a different set of circumstances. You have to recognize longevity in this case to avoid labor discord. We shall see shortly.....

It actually isn’t as different as one may think. For those that think if the arbitration out come isn’t what they think is fair and want to usair/america West this. It has been made so that will never happen again with an ALPA ALPA merger. The quick and dirty of it is the Nicolau award was to go into effect after a jcba was negotiated. The Usair pilots voted out alpa and refused to agree on a jcba so no list activation. Now the jcba is done first, and sli next so once awarded it can not be blocked or changed. Changing an arbitration award is mostly impossible. We need to sit down have some beers realize what’s done is done and gather as one for 2020 to send a message so loud that B and B know their shenanigans won’t work in 2020. If we keep slinging mud and insults at each other they will have already won for 2020 now.

2020 If the Virgin group gains 20 years over night. Forget 2020. The pilot group will turn into a freak show. Hope it doesn't happen, but the potential is sure there.

Sorry if it's addressed in any of the preceding 26 pages, but who are the layers representing each group? Is Freund involved?

Yes Freund is the Alaska ALPA counsel. VX has Jeff Demain an accomplished attorney working on his first SLI arb.
Demain literally destroyed the ALK econ expert on cross exam. I think he maybe started to cry.

I guess I'm confused...did he cry? Or was he literally destroyed? Because then we will need to literally regroup.

Are there transcripts, or is this information word of mouth?

VX brought the big guns:

Jeffery DeMain
Education
B.A., Brandeis University, summa cum laude
M.A., University of California, Irvine, National Science Foundation Fellowship
J.D., Boalt Hall School of Law (Berkeley Law), Order of the Coif

Clerkship
Hon. James R. Browning, Chief Judge, United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit

For thirty years, Jeff has represented international and local labor unions, trust funds, public interest organizations, public entities, and individuals in litigation in federal and state trial and appellate courts, administrative agencies, and arbitrations. While he has litigated in a wide variety of subject areas, his primary focus is in labor, employment, and constitutional law. In addition to litigation, Jeff regularly advises clients on legal matters, legislation, and regulatory compliance, and represents them in collective bargaining negotiations, and in government investigations, especially with regard to the National Labor Relations Act, the Labor Management Relations Act, and the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act. He also specializes in defending freedom of speech and the right to petition government under California’s anti-SLAPP law.

From 1992 through 1999, Jeff was a contributing editor of Construction Organizing – An Organizing and Contract Enforcement Guide, published by the George Meany Center for Labor Studies, Inc. From 1999 through 2002, he was a member of the Executive Committee of the Labor and Employment Section of the California State Bar. He is the author of “Recent Developments in Fair Share Fee Law,” California Public Employee Relations Journal No. 167 (August 2004).

He has been listed in “The Best Lawyers in America” since 2006, and in “Northern California Superlawyers” since 2009, for labor and employment l

Yes, there are transcripts. AS and VX pilots are all looking at this through thier blue or red hued glasses so I’d take a look yourself to draw your own conclusions on who “destroyed” who.