I hope we can share a cold on some day. This is by far the 100% truth. Ready to walk the line for 2020!

 

I want to know why VX gets a free 7 years of longevity (plus all these other gains) and AS doesn't

I want to know why AS ALPA never fights for ANYTHING, they just roll over as they always have (and they expect gains in 2020) The excuse of "the arbitrators will never take it seriously if we're more agressive" is crap. How did that work out in the last arbitration again? I'd rather have VX get an extra seven years shoved down my throat by an arbitrator that have the union I pay for advocate gains for the other side at my expense.

I say vote ALPA out since the MEC has no balls.

 

I think thats cus you dont relaize VX had guys who were at Aloha, ATA, USAirways, Midwest, etc. Give them longevity for their time there then.

 

Alaska 70% longevity puts VX1 with a 2000-ish AS-DOH with a ratioing of the bottom few hundred guys.
VX 15% longevity by my estimation puts VX1 with 1989ish AS-DOH.

Both actually seem a little out to lunch. I have been an advocate of the 50% weighting in this merger because of how equal a case I think each side really has.

Alaska had safety and job security coupled with some retirements, but really no real growth beyond that. There has been an annualized 2% growth in the number of pilots at Alaska since I was hired here 12 years ago. Slow and steady wins the race? Hopefully.

Virgin America, no real guarantee of being able to make a career out of the place. You took a chance to be at a newer carrier with higher growth potential - congratulations, the gamble paid off.

A 50/50 weighting seems inherently fair giving each side equal credit for the choice they made. A 50/50 weighting would pair VX1 with a 1997ish AS-DOH.

 

Curious.... how did AAG pilots have NO SAY on the JCBA? Wasn't it negotiated with VX pilots and the company?

 

When they opened it up, they agreed to a definite timeline and arbitration if needed. At that point the company just dug in, probably knowing arbitration would lean in their favor.

 

This company does not negotiate when they can tip the scale their way in arbitration. Arbitration is not a level playing field.

 

Yup, pretty much as rickair said, the “negotiation” was just a smokescreen. They never even came out with an actual proposal that we could see or build upon. It was all just done as working documents bound by NDA’s. They had faith that just like the Kasher arbitration, this one would favor their positions. They sat on their hands and bought themselves 6 extra months of cheap labor while literally laughing in our faces. (BM’s admission to sacrificing our relationship with management). I think his quote should printed out on a sticker in big bold letters next to a 2020 and placed on every rollaboard, flight case and on our next lanyard, to remind us of who the real enemy is!

 

It’s not a function of ALPA. If you guys had a different union, the same guys would be in charge. It’s the group that you guys elected selling you out.

You need to recall reps, which isn’t pleasant but will breakup the good ol boys club. It also helps establish the expectation that they must serve the pilots and not themselves or the company.

I have no dog in this fight but the Anchorage reps are virtually selling the base out. If I were there, I would immediately initiate a recall.

 

Let's see, 1960 Alaska pilots, 834 VX pilots. That's a ratio of about two point three-four to one.

So top three numbers go to the top three Alaska guys, then the senior VX guy, then the two next senior Alaska guys, then the next senior VX guy, then the next two senior Alaska guys, then the next senior VX guy, then the next three Alaska guys, then a VX guy, then two Alaska Guys, then a VX guy, then two Alaska guys, then a VX guy.

That's 14 Alaska guys and six VX guys. That's a ratio of about two point three four to one.

Now wash, rinse, and repeat with the rest of both pilot lists, until the entire new list is established. Just like shuffling cards...

No Alaska guy will lose seniority to any other Alaska guy and no VX guy will lose seniority to any other VX guy, and all but the the most junior VX guy will have at least a little more room between him/herself and any potential furloughs should the economy tank than they did before

What was so damn hard about that?

In a company with no serious scope limits, you'd think you guys would have better things to fight about then going at each other.