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ShyGuy 04-11-2018 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by ForeverJunior (Post 2569398)
THIS!!

Direct all the venom at Angle Lake. Contract 2020 is way more important than us getting ****ed at each other. We need to put this behind us and focus on the contract.

True, but as a ticked off AirTran pilot once said, “contracts come and go, seniority is forever.” :D

KnockKnock 04-11-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2569923)
True, but as a ticked off AirTran pilot once said, “contracts come and go, seniority is forever.” :D

Nothing is forever in this world.....except for diamonds, diamonds are forever.

tacoma1946 04-11-2018 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2569855)
Let's see, 1960 Alaska pilots, 834 VX pilots. That's a ratio of about two point three-four to one.

So top three numbers go to the top three Alaska guys, then the senior VX guy, then the two next senior Alaska guys, then the next senior VX guy, then the next two senior Alaska guys, then the next senior VX guy, then the next three Alaska guys, then a VX guy, then two Alaska Guys, then a VX guy, then two Alaska guys, then a VX guy.

That's 14 Alaska guys and six VX guys. That's a ratio of about two point three four to one.

Now wash, rinse, and repeat with the rest of both pilot lists, until the entire new list is established. Just like shuffling cards...

No Alaska guy will lose seniority to any other Alaska guy and no VX guy will lose seniority to any other VX guy, and all but the the most junior VX guy will have at least a little more room between him/herself and any potential furloughs should the economy tank than they did before

What was so damn hard about that?

In a company with no serious scope limits, you'd think you guys would have better things to fight about then going at each other.

Sounds good. VX pilots will be filtered in from 2007 as the starting point.

PokerPilot007 04-11-2018 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570020)
Sounds good. VX pilots will be filtered in from 2007 as the starting point.

I’ve got a friend who worked for an airline that stapled one pilot group below the other. That airline is no longer in business. The top group was willing to cut off its finger to protect their own turf and ended up killing the entire hand. We all need to work together or it will kill the entire group. Hopefully arrogance and misplaced anger doesn’t destroy the potential we have working together.

Klsytakesit 04-11-2018 12:32 PM

64/36 ratio and add back to filter in starting 01/01/1996. Remove the add-back constraint at 01/01/2002. Go straight ratio from there until 04/2016. Model the bottom 200 to place 41 former Virgin pilots as the plug. Build the list slots by stove piping. Place all non listers 1 number above the pilot directly below them pre-merger. Date of hire placement after 4/16. Protect all captains with ratio reduction language For 50 months.

tacoma1946 04-11-2018 12:45 PM

Vx started operations in 2007. That is where they should start being filtered in. The number 1 VX pilot should be right below the AS pilot that was hired when VX started. That is the starting point.

Klsytakesit 04-11-2018 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570067)
Vx started operations in 2007. That is where they should start being filtered in. The number 1 VX pilot should be right below the AS pilot that was hired when VX started. That is the starting point.

You are not fit to be in a union. You probably walked on the picket line and then slipped over for a little premium pay

atooraya 04-11-2018 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2570059)
64/36 ratio and add back to filter in starting 01/01/1996. Remove the add-back constraint at 01/01/2002. Go straight ratio from there until 04/2016. Model the bottom 200 to place 41 former Virgin pilots as the plug. Build the list slots by stove piping. Place all non listers 1 number above the pilot directly below them pre-merger. Date of hire placement after 4/16. Protect all captains with ratio reduction language For 50 months.

Didn't Alaska not hire anyone from 2008 till 2012? Isn't this where the majority of VX pilots were hired?

tacoma1946 04-11-2018 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2570105)
You are not fit to be in a union. You probably walked on the picket line and then slipped over for a little premium pay

You must be VX. Why should a pilot that started in 2007 be matched with a guy that was hired 30 years ago? What you are saying is a 25 year old that was hired as a co pilot by VX in 2007 will be matched with a 60 year old that was hired 30 years ago. Really?

Klsytakesit 04-11-2018 01:45 PM

Half of the Alaska pilots seniority list is 2006 or newer. Yes, we furloughed pilots starting in 2009. Last class was hired in 01/08 next class was 01/12


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