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Tailstand 04-11-2018 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2569923)
True, but as a ticked off AirTran pilot once said, “contracts come and go, seniority is forever.” :D

At 29 years seniority I had hoped to transfer to SFO to be number 1, not number 10 :p

Klsytakesit 04-11-2018 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Tailstand (Post 2570119)
At 29 years seniority I had hoped to transfer to SFO to be number 1, not number 10 :p

No worries bro....you will. I am hoping to transfer to JFK and just be a lineholder at 19 years

2StgTurbine 04-11-2018 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570112)
You must be VX. Why should a pilot that started in 2007 be matched with a guy that was hired 30 years ago? What you are saying is a 25 year old that was hired as a co pilot by VX in 2007 will be matched with a 60 year old that was hired 30 years ago. Really?

Do you not understand that a relative integration by definition preserves your relative seniority? A straight DOH gives Alaska pilots a huge boost to their relative seniority. No Alaska pilot would ever be on reserve and they would be able to hold weekends off. Meanwhile, a Virgin pilot who was a line holder goes back to reserve overnight.

PokerPilot007 04-11-2018 02:24 PM

Remove first 300 super senior Alaska pilots and place them on the side. Then relative seniority starting at 301 (assume that’s the new #1), once your done re-paste the 300 back on top of the list and call it a day. Solved.

tacoma1946 04-11-2018 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 2570133)
Do you not understand that a relative integration by definition preserves your relative seniority? A straight DOH gives Alaska pilots a huge boost to their relative seniority. No Alaska pilot would ever be on reserve and they would be able to hold weekends off. Meanwhile, a Virgin pilot who was a line holder goes back to reserve overnight.

It is not a straight doh. You start at 2007 since that is when you were created. You then do the 1 for 3 or what ever the ratio is. That is all you deserve. Sorry but that is life.

WutFace 04-11-2018 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570146)
It is not a straight doh. You start at 2007 since that is when you were created. You then do the 1 for 3 or what ever the ratio is. That is all you deserve. Sorry but that is life.

Can't wait to fly with you. You sound like an awesome guy!

All Bizniz 04-11-2018 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570112)
You must be VX. Why should a pilot that started in 2007 be matched with a guy that was hired 30 years ago? What you are saying is a 25 year old that was hired as a co pilot by VX in 2007 will be matched with a 60 year old that was hired 30 years ago. Really?

No need to mention the age. VX has 2007 pilots who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s.

And how is "matching" those two guys going to realistically adversely affect the QOL of the AS guy when they are in different bases, on different fleets and the AS guy will probably retire in 5 years or so?


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570146)
It is not a straight doh. You start at 2007 since that is when you were created. You then do the 1 for 3 or what ever the ratio is. That is all you deserve. Sorry but that is life.

With that kind of hubris I suspect you are going to be devastated come September......

2StgTurbine 04-11-2018 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570146)
That is all you deserve. Sorry but that is life.

Did a Virgin pilot sleep with your wife or something? What is with the hostility?

Sorry, but that is only your opinion and the history of airline mergers indicates that your opinion is extremely unlikely to be shared by anyone in charge.

CaptainCarl 04-11-2018 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by EskimoJoe (Post 2568643)
How did you think this VX thing was going to end? Either buy out of Chapter 7. That was is it. I seriously doubt any of you thought this was going to be a 30 year career under the VX brand.

To the Virgin Atlantic (est. 1984) and Virgin Australia (est. 1999) guys, what would you say? It wouldn't have been unreasonable for someone to hope for a long and healthy career under the Virgin brand. Remind me to consult you for my next career decision, Joe, since you seem to have some clairvoyance about an industry that seems highly unpredictable.


Originally Posted by opdeliber (Post 2569136)
4 pages of nonsense. The seniority list is going to be what it is and none of us have a say. Just pipe down already

You have some say in who represents you... so that's something. Something > nothing ;)


Originally Posted by tacoma1946 (Post 2570146)
It is not a straight doh. You start at 2007 since that is when you were created. You then do the 1 for 3 or what ever the ratio is. That is all you deserve. Sorry but that is life.

This seems overly callous. If Virgin was the first airline for all of its pilots, maybe you'd be right. But it ain't. Lots of them have slugged through the industry for many years and finally found a port that offered some semblance of stability, even if only for 11 years.

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This has been my $0.02 from a outsider's perspective. How this ends up will be interesting though, especially with the Alaska/Hawaiian merger on the horizon :D

ASpilot0936 04-11-2018 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 2570241)
Lots of them have slugged through the industry for many years and finally found a port that offered some semblance of stability, even if only for 11 years.

Not my fault they chose wrong, but they're getting 7 years of free seniority without earning it while my AS MEC represents them in their efforts.

My blue (which is supposed to be orange but they caved on that too like everything else) lanyard is in the trash.


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