New bulletin from the company today:

"The OOOI IN logic remains the same. The reported IN time is the last parking brake set time
prior to door open, or door open time if the brakes were not set.
However, flight pay ends at the later of:
(a) first entry door open, or
(b) last engine stop time."

 

I don't know what you used at Alaska before... but that sounds pretty normal? Except I've never had it to where you'd keep getting paid until the engine was shut down if the door opened and you were waiting for external power.

 

So, if you pull into the gate, shut down, and wait 15 minutes for a jet bridge driver, you are still getting paid as long as the door isn't opened. What is the scenario that concerns you?

 

Seems to be addressing a contractual thing about how pay would end the later of, and one of the statements was that pilots are able to get off the plane. Some argument was made since emergency exit switch can't be turned off until the last pax is off, that some guys wanted pay to continue until the last pax is off and the switch is off - which then allows the pilot to leave.

 

Alaska records two different in times. The IN time for DOT and the IN time for pay. The IN time for DOT is the time the parking brake was last set before the door was opened. The IN time for pay is the later of the door opening, the engine shutting down, OR THE CREW BEING ALLOWED TO LEAVE. If it’s the later than you need to call Schedueling to note it and make sure they pay you. For example, you pull into LAX and customs doesn’t allow you to deplane then you are paid until they say you can deplane.

If you look at the Alaska App, flight boards, etc. you will see the DOT time. If you look at crew access you should see the right time.

So...if you are “making money”!when you get to the gate at 1200 but Menzies can’t figure out how to operate the external power and you kept the engine running...by the book you give them 3 minutes. 2 minutes to start the APU. 5 minutes. DOT/arrivals board will report 1200. Crew Access will report 1205.

 

Thanks all. I mis-read it. I was reading that it was engine shut down. I'm kinda spring loaded to expect them to screw us over at every available turn.

 

It wasn’t the emergency lights since those are shut down immediately upon arrival. It was the LED lights on the Boeing Sky interior airplanes. If you turn off the utility switch the cabin lights turn off. This should be paid, however our company got our MEC to agree that this could be part of our debrief time.

 

Long live the Airbus!!

 

The Airbus manual says the emergency lights can not be turned off(disarmed) until the last guest is off of the airplane. The emergency lights are an item on the securing checklist. Therefore the security checklist can not be completed until the last guest has deplaned.

One qualifier of the Block In definition in our CBA(Section 2: Definitions) states pay will continue until the pilots are allowed to leave the airplane. Logic would follow that the pilots are not allowed to leave the airplane until the securing checklist is complete when that checklist is required.

 

So we should be calling scheduling with adjusted IN times for pay purposes. I’d estimate this affects a third of our flights. How often does this happen on the Boeing side? Do you ever get any pushback?