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Old 08-07-2018 | 08:06 AM
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JB wouldn’t have to give up anything. The 190 is already on the UAL payscale so if they wanted 100 seat flying on mainline they could do it, if not, dump them and you gain an Airbus fleet and lots of pilots.

It’s 2018, B scales are not coming back and UAL isn’t gonna try and pull anything funny if they were to acquire JB, they know they couldn’t get away with it.

I really think the scope thing is a non issue.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
If United were to buy us, we would be an even more divided pilot group. The bottom 1/2 of the list would be overjoyed that they can upgrade and fly heavy metal. The top 1/2 would be ****ed that they are going to get shafted on seniority integration. Sort of a win/lose depending on seniority
Actually, that would not be the case for the vast majority of pilots. Consolidation has gone a long way to fixing the piloting profession. Also, a merger gives pilots more options of where to live and the type of flying or compensation to which they have access. One man's trash is another's treasure.

UAL + jetBlue would be be a killer, but only if the mandated divestitures wouldn't negate the advantages.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive

UAL + jetBlue would be be a killer, but only if the mandated divestitures wouldn't negate the advantages.
I think in the past, this is what prevented UAL from making a move. There have been lots of rumors that UAL was eying JB and it could have all been complete crap, but I tell you what, it makes a whole lot of sense if UAL wants to expand and capture market share, at the same time as squashing JBs European hopes.

JB can’t afford AS and egos can’t grt pushed aside to decide what the actual airline would be. I wouldn’t give a JB and AS merger much thought at all. I see UAL buying JB and I see AS getting bought by AAL or SWA, IF IF IF more acquisitions were to happen.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 12:07 PM
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"If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride."
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Old 08-07-2018 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
I think in the past, this is what prevented UAL from making a move. There have been lots of rumors that UAL was eying JB and it could have all been complete crap, but I tell you what, it makes a whole lot of sense if UAL wants to expand and capture market share, at the same time as squashing JBs European hopes.

JB can’t afford AS and egos can’t grt pushed aside to decide what the actual airline would be. I wouldn’t give a JB and AS merger much thought at all. I see UAL buying JB and I see AS getting bought by AAL or SWA, IF IF IF more acquisitions were to happen.

Which is my carzy theory of why we have not gone with the 321lr to Europe. It’s so easy given our Bos and JFK hubs and yet they can’t make up their mind on an aircraft we already fly.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
No way a B6 pilot would give up seniority for UAL $264/hr A320 vs B6 $259/hr A320, unless I’m missing something on pay rates? Why would you give up seniority for $5 an hour?
Except the top payrate at United is $338/hour (777,787,767-400). Not to mention 757-300 and 767-300 pay $282/hour. And the junior pilot flying a 787 is about 3,000 on the UAL list and the junior 756 Captain about 8,000.

Also that $264 currently at United is close to being our “old payrates” since we are in Section 6 negotiations right now. Would not be surprised to see $300/hour Airbus Captains in the new contract.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 02:28 PM
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Which is my carzy theory of why we have not gone with the 321lr to Europe. It’s so easy given our Bos and JFK hubs and yet they can’t make up their mind on an aircraft we already fly.
You guys just gave up the ability to fly that and let codeshare partners do it. I foresee more JB codeshare partners doing your flying, just like HA 321s are doing your flying now. It’ll just get worse.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
Except the top payrate at United is $338/hour (777,787,767-400). Not to mention 757-300 and 767-300 pay $282/hour. And the junior pilot flying a 787 is about 3,000 on the UAL list and the junior 756 Captain about 8,000.

Also that $264 currently at United is close to being our “old payrates” since we are in Section 6 negotiations right now. Would not be surprised to see $300/hour Airbus Captains in the new contract.
It’s currently $272 for both the A320 and the B737.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
You guys just gave up the ability to fly that and let codeshare partners do it. I foresee more JB codeshare partners doing your flying, just like HA 321s are doing your flying now. It’ll just get worse.
Because you don’t codeshare right? How about all those domestic flights that are not flown by mainline United. I would debate you but since this is a quote from you I will spend my time praying for a preferential interview.

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If we acquired either of those train-wrecks of an airline, we’d certainly offer their pilots preferential interviews I’d think.

Anyway the good part is you and I will have no say. We are both ALPA carriers and both working under a CBA, so I’m not worried.
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Old 08-07-2018 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Because you don’t codeshare right? How about all those domestic flights that are not flown by mainline United. I would debate you but sine this is a quote from you I will spend my time praying for a preferential interview.
Flying to Redding, Baton Rouge, Devil’s Lake, Eureka, Harlingen, etc and the 100+ small cities that United Express flies to it doesn’t make sense to fly a 150 seat Airbus into it totally smart to codeshare to those cities. Those passengers feed our mainline and allow us to be paid to fly 777s to Paris, Auckland, Sydney, London, etc. I’d trade 76 and smaller seat jets to be able to fly 777/787/767 etc all over the world. Its a fair trade off. Global airlines need the network effect of that feed. Big regionals or LCCs don’t.
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