I'm calling it. We're geting bought.
08-06-2018 | 12:07 PM
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Jet Blue scope requires no outside flying and United has a lot of it. The United pilots are smart enough to at least take advantage of that to get something from the company. So yes, scope would be violated unless ALPA agreed to change scope.
08-06-2018 | 12:12 PM
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The no outside flying from a scope standpoint is completely irrelevant. If JB is acquired by United, they are 100% mainline and would adhere to United's scope clause.
08-06-2018 | 12:14 PM
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We would need to get a Joint CBA (since it would be ALPA-ALPA) and that document would have scope limits.
08-06-2018 | 12:20 PM
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100% and both parties would vote to approve the JCBA. Neither party will vote in a scope violation. But the JB pilot group knows that if United bought them tomorrow, that United has regional flying. I don’t think that is even a consideration on whether to buy JB or not from an added cost because of scope standpoint. UAL management could try it and hope it goes to arbitration but as we have seen, an arbitrator is not likely to mess with scope 🤣🤣
08-06-2018 | 04:02 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if you offered a UAL contract to B6 pilots, and they get to keep DOH for pay, and get stapled for seniority, I wouldn't be surprised if it passes. Don't think scope would be the major issue.
08-06-2018 | 07:10 PM
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No way a B6 pilot would give up seniority for UAL $264/hr A320 vs B6 $259/hr A320, unless I’m missing something on pay rates? Why would you give up seniority for $5 an hour?
08-06-2018 | 08:08 PM
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You are...A super regional and a major international carrier with widebody pay rates and so on and so forth and such.....
08-06-2018 | 08:36 PM
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Because 5 year FO pay on the wide body is $80 more than on the 190? (I know, not a fair comparison, just like comparing your senior aircraft to their junior aircraft isn’t fair)
08-07-2018 | 07:05 AM
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Not a chance. Wouldn’t trade QOL for anything.
08-07-2018 | 07:55 AM
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It’s funny to me that this discussion is happening in the Alaska sub forum— but I digress.
Many (most) Jetblue guys re either ex regional guys like myself or they are Usair guys who got furloughed. I this this changes our perspective.
I’ve been on the other side of the fence and seen how lack of scope hurts mainline jobs and mainline QOL.
If United were to buy us, we would be an even more divided pilot group. The bottom 1/2 of the list would be overjoyed that they can upgrade and fly heavy metal. The top 1/2 would be ****ed that they are going to get shafted on seniority integration. Sort of a win/lose depending on seniority
Many (most) Jetblue guys re either ex regional guys like myself or they are Usair guys who got furloughed. I this this changes our perspective.
I’ve been on the other side of the fence and seen how lack of scope hurts mainline jobs and mainline QOL.
If United were to buy us, we would be an even more divided pilot group. The bottom 1/2 of the list would be overjoyed that they can upgrade and fly heavy metal. The top 1/2 would be ****ed that they are going to get shafted on seniority integration. Sort of a win/lose depending on seniority
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