Originally Posted by flywest (Post 2649808)

Beta82- Like I said, relax the "JET" is all good. There are bigger fish to fry than the term "the jet."

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2649724)

It isn’t just grabbing at straws. The amount of MELs we are carrying are above and beyond from what we ever carried before. WiFi and pax comfort items are being left broken, in fact I have had a few 4 day trips where 50% of the airplanes have WiFi written up, and not just the sat wifi.

I’m not saying it’s a sign of being bought, to me it’s a sign of the Bus going away, but if there is an acquisition, we will look back at this and it will be obvious that something was going on in hind sight.

Taking down a bunch of planes at once to paint in any month seems silly. Postponing all aircraft painting for what, 6 months now, has put them on an even tighter schedule to get it done (don’t forget that there is a royalty fee and deadline to get this livery off the planes). Meanwhile 737s are going down every month to get decals applied and new paint jobs. I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all, but to me it clearly indicates something. What that something is, we won’t know until we see it on the news.

Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2649889)

Orange lanyards should go back on. We stupidly agreed to take them off on the promise they would address certain issues that the arbitration fell short on... nothing has been addressed. Bring back orange lanyards. Seriously enough is enough, it’s time to show this clown show of a “leadership” team that their perspective emails are doing nothing but stirring the hornets nest.

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2649891)

My orange lanyard went from my neck to the outside of my roller and hasn’t moved since. I think most saw this coming. That was simply a ploy to reduce public perception of any issues. That is their real concern. They never would have addressed the Airbus fume issues had it not been made public.

Originally Posted by flywest (Post 2649472)

Maybe it's time for a change? You can see why one might think that calling your airplane ”the jet” might be a little ostentatious. Definitely not necessary in 2018. Maybe we can work towards getting rid of that saying along with the crappy contract in 2019/2020/2021/ yougetthepoint. :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2649889)

Orange lanyards should go back on. We stupidly agreed to take them off on the promise they would address certain issues that the arbitration fell short on... nothing has been addressed. Bring back orange lanyards. Seriously enough is enough, it’s time to show this clown show of a “leadership” team that their perspective emails are doing nothing but stirring the hornets nest.

It is time to stop giving them what they want for nothing in return. It should be clear that now anything we give we get something. If we don’t make these changes now when times are good (and yes a 13% profit margin is good despite what these idiots tell us) then we will be bent over, rode hard, and hung up dry when times get tough. Now is the time, us vs them.

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2649804)

That’s exactly my point though. UAL was eyeing JB but would have previously had to divest too much to make it work. Imagine if they had a no restrictions green light to acquire JB because our administration is allowing it

Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2649947)

JetBlue's scope is a poison pill for most acquisition concerns. While they may be able to buy their way out of it, it makes a potential acquisition a lot more expensive and potentially a lot more difficult for management if UAL pilots (who care much more about scope than AS pilots seem to) decide to use to opportunity to go for a return of scope on their end.

While it doesn't completely rule it out, it does make it much less likely.

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2649996)

I doubt it, if scope isn't violated and both parties vote it in, it shouldn't cost them anything... UAL could dump the 190s and take the Airbus only, done deal.

Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2650012)

Jet Blue scope requires no outside flying and United has a lot of it. The United pilots are smart enough to at least take advantage of that to get something from the company. So yes, scope would be violated unless ALPA agreed to change scope.

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2650014)

The no outside flying from a scope standpoint is completely irrelevant. If JB is acquired by United, they are 100% mainline and would adhere to United's scope clause.

Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2650018)

Sort of.

We would need to get a Joint CBA (since it would be ALPA-ALPA) and that document would have scope limits.

Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2650018)

Sort of.

We would need to get a Joint CBA (since it would be ALPA-ALPA) and that document would have scope limits.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2650158)

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if you offered a UAL contract to B6 pilots, and they get to keep DOH for pay, and get stapled for seniority, I wouldn't be surprised if it passes. Don't think scope would be the major issue.

Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 2650256)

No way a B6 pilot would give up seniority for UAL $264/hr A320 vs B6 $259/hr A320, unless I’m missing something on pay rates? Why would you give up seniority for $5 an hour?

Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 2650256)

No way a B6 pilot would give up seniority for UAL $264/hr A320 vs B6 $259/hr A320, unless I’m missing something on pay rates? Why would you give up seniority for $5 an hour?

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2650158)

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if you offered a UAL contract to B6 pilots, and they get to keep DOH for pay, and get stapled for seniority, I wouldn't be surprised if it passes. Don't think scope would be the major issue.

Originally Posted by keysersose (Post 2650448)

Not a chance. Wouldn’t trade QOL for anything.

Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2650490)

If United were to buy us, we would be an even more divided pilot group. The bottom 1/2 of the list would be overjoyed that they can upgrade and fly heavy metal. The top 1/2 would be ****ed that they are going to get shafted on seniority integration. Sort of a win/lose depending on seniority

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2650517)

UAL + jetBlue would be be a killer, but only if the mandated divestitures wouldn't negate the advantages.

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2650527)

I think in the past, this is what prevented UAL from making a move. There have been lots of rumors that UAL was eying JB and it could have all been complete crap, but I tell you what, it makes a whole lot of sense if UAL wants to expand and capture market share, at the same time as squashing JBs European hopes.

JB can’t afford AS and egos can’t grt pushed aside to decide what the actual airline would be. I wouldn’t give a JB and AS merger much thought at all. I see UAL buying JB and I see AS getting bought by AAL or SWA, IF IF IF more acquisitions were to happen.

Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 2650256)

No way a B6 pilot would give up seniority for UAL $264/hr A320 vs B6 $259/hr A320, unless I’m missing something on pay rates? Why would you give up seniority for $5 an hour?

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2650746)

Which is my carzy theory of why we have not gone with the 321lr to Europe. It’s so easy given our Bos and JFK hubs and yet they can’t make up their mind on an aircraft we already fly.

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2650784)

Except the top payrate at United is $338/hour (777,787,767-400). Not to mention 757-300 and 767-300 pay $282/hour. And the junior pilot flying a 787 is about 3,000 on the UAL list and the junior 756 Captain about 8,000.

Also that $264 currently at United is close to being our “old payrates” since we are in Section 6 negotiations right now. Would not be surprised to see $300/hour Airbus Captains in the new contract.

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2650788)

You guys just gave up the ability to fly that and let codeshare partners do it. I foresee more JB codeshare partners doing your flying, just like HA 321s are doing your flying now. It’ll just get worse.

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2614768)

If we acquired either of those train-wrecks of an airline, we’d certainly offer their pilots preferential interviews I’d think.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2650857)

Because you don’t codeshare right? How about all those domestic flights that are not flown by mainline United. I would debate you but sine this is a quote from you I will spend my time praying for a preferential interview.

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2650859)

Flying to Redding, Baton Rouge, Devil’s Lake, Eureka, Harlingen, etc and the 100+ small cities that United Express flies to it doesn’t make sense to fly a 150 seat Airbus into it totally smart to codeshare to those cities. Those passengers feed our mainline and allow us to be paid to fly 777s to Paris, Auckland, Sydney, London, etc. I’d trade 76 and smaller seat jets to be able to fly 777/787/767 etc all over the world. Its a fair trade off. Global airlines need the network effect of that feed. Big regionals or LCCs don’t.

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2650859)

Flying to Redding, Baton Rouge, Devil’s Lake, Eureka, Harlingen, etc and the 100+ small cities that United Express flies to it doesn’t make sense to fly a 150 seat Airbus into it totally smart to codeshare to those cities. Those passengers feed our mainline and allow us to be paid to fly 777s to Paris, Auckland, Sydney, London, etc. I’d trade 76 and smaller seat jets to be able to fly 777/787/767 etc all over the world. Its a fair trade off. Global airlines need the network effect of that feed. Big regionals or LCCs don’t.

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2650859)

Flying to Redding, Baton Rouge, Devil’s Lake, Eureka, Harlingen, etc and the 100+ small cities that United Express flies to it doesn’t make sense to fly a 150 seat Airbus into it totally smart to codeshare to those cities. Those passengers feed our mainline and allow us to be paid to fly 777s to Paris, Auckland, Sydney, London, etc. I’d trade 76 and smaller seat jets to be able to fly 777/787/767 etc all over the world. Its a fair trade off. Global airlines need the network effect of that feed. Big regionals or LCCs don’t.

Originally Posted by BKbigfish (Post 2651040)

What percentage of mainline flying do you think is conducted by widebodies? Have we not learned anything in the past two decades? Who cares about 20,000 $125+/hr - $200+/hr gigs when you can ensure 1500 $300+/hr gigs for guys that have been on property for 20+ years amirite?!? That’s a lot of money we’re leaving on the table to make sure a small percentage of guys make an extra $50k - $100k per year.

Originally Posted by Beta82 (Post 2649546)

“the jet” is a very common term at SWA too. I’m thinking it’s because it’s a jet...

Originally Posted by Skyward (Post 2649706)

No, it’s because SWA is filled with kernels who have a hard time letting go of such things as their call signs, The Zoo, shooting down their wristwatch at the bar, and the term “the jet”.

Originally Posted by greatlake (Post 2649680)

Delta walked away when they thought regulators wouldn't allow a merger that big.

Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2649724)

It isn’t just grabbing at straws. The amount of MELs we are carrying are above and beyond from what we ever carried before. WiFi and pax comfort items are being left broken, in fact I have had a few 4 day trips where 50% of the airplanes have WiFi written up, and not just the sat wifi.



I’m not saying it’s a sign of being bought, to me it’s a sign of the Bus going away, but if there is an acquisition, we will look back at this and it will be obvious that something was going on in hind sight.



Taking down a bunch of planes at once to paint in any month seems silly. Postponing all aircraft painting for what, 6 months now, has put them on an even tighter schedule to get it done (don’t forget that there is a royalty fee and deadline to get this livery off the planes). Meanwhile 737s are going down every month to get decals applied and new paint jobs. I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all, but to me it clearly indicates something. What that something is, we won’t know until we see it on the news.