He’s wasting your time...

The JET or the BUS. Has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. So why the complaining. Lots of things have nicknames, call the planes what you want. Focus on something that matters.

In my honest opinion, an *attempted* block is for the dog-and-pony show. Makes then look good, while still ultimately letting it go through.

[QUOTE=Beta82;2654666]The fact that you care what people call something is what’s embarrassing. Do you think you’re too cool for anything? Do you sit in the back of your “Bus” because that’s where the cool pilots sit? Get your head in the game and focus on real sh!t that matters.

THIS!

Scope, scheduling, pay, slope, retirement, health insurance... way more important than pet peeves and, believe me, I have many myself. 😁

This tells everyone how stupid you are

108x 259 = 223,776
Plus 24,500 bonus
= what

I am not even trying. I pick up a premium trip here or there. Still have a great quality of life. Last year I picked up a lot more premium to make 317.

Anyone can make this kind of money. Some might have to go down to 13-14 days off others can do it at 15-17 days off.

I have friends that will push close to 400 this year. I think one for sure will be over.

I knew it. Thanks for your help. Alaska couldn’t do it without you, keep up the great work. There is no I in team.

Preciate the heads up!
“Anyone can make this kind of money.”
One word - “delusional”. But that’s ok, cause you and the rest are just as much an enemy of a great contract (the normal defininition, not just one that benefits you) as is BM. Clearly he’s not the only person on the property “willing to sacrifice the relationship with the pilot group” to get what’s best for himself.

To all the rest of us.... Bus and Boeing pilots.... we need to get creative. Shame.... whether directed at the company or pilots like OTZ, can be a powerful tool. Lotta fat hogs in the barn. Time to fire up the smokehouse.

You and your “friends” are the problem.

Why?
Because I love it when I get to trade a two day at straight time for a 3 day at premium?
Or
Because I live in base and can be flexible
Or
Because I take the best advantage I can of each contract

How do you think your buddies at Delta American United or Southwest make so much money 💰. Oh that’s right they are flying 72 hours at straight time. Do the math you moron, they are all taking advantage their contracts. My friends at southwest being some of the most creative.

We acknowledge that with seniority comes privileges. Nobody should begrudge you that. However, everyone on the seniority list also acknowledges that senior pilots flying premium figures SIGNIFICANTLY into their staffing model. And, everyone also acknowledges that, if the senior pilots who regularly help facilitate this model were to voluntarily cut back or stop doing so, it would be a significant point of pressure for contractual change. We also realize that apparently, those like yourselves were unwilling to leverage that pressure to help apply this pressure, and instead just point the finger at Kasher, BM, essential service to Alaska etc. And I get it. You’re there. At the top. Working the system. Making it rain. Why WOULD you leverage that to help a contract more equitable? Maybe you would because at the end of negotiations you could make the same working less. Maybe you would because you believe slope, scope and work rules should be equitable across the ENTIRE contract, for all the pilots.

For that to even be a remote possibility you’d have to believe in the power and unity of our union and it’s ability to deliver a powerful new contract, which, if you’re like most other seniors here, you prob don’t. And apparently, for historically good reason. Kasher neutered this union and y’all haven’t been the same since.

So you put this all in writing for Alaska legal? 😲 I am sure that this will help the union in 2020. You know premium pickups are almost equal across all seniority percentages. My seniority might surprise you and my age would most definitely shock you.
Your right I don’t care about slope, scope, or commutable trips. I wouldn’t give up a dollar an hour for all three. Our union sucks! Check back in three years we will have no slope no change to commutability of trips, maybe scope. This is a pretty good company and a great place to work!

Not an Alaska guy, but it did somewhat amuse me that you appealed for scope to one of the guys who still says it's not worth negotiating for at all.

Dude if you think one guy, not in union leadership, saying something obvious but in no way calling for a job action constitutes grounds for a lawsuit, you’re out of your mind. The UNION has to suggest a job action not just some random poster on a public message board.

But, the rest of your statement is perfectly clarifying. You clearly either don’t trust the union to have your back, (understandable given the past) OR, you’ve decided that it wouldn’t matter if they did, you’re unwilling to leverage your position for contract that would benefit anyone but you. I sincerely appreciate that level of candor. At least you’re honest about it.

FTR....I never said it’s not a pretty good company, or that that it wasn’t a great place to work. I agree with both statements. It could be better. Hopefully we’ll get there without ya. 😉

But there is a me.

But seriously, guys scream "Fly the contract!" but when a guy like OTZ legally uses the provisions in the contract, they give him Shiite.

Flying the contract means flying ALL the contract even if you personally don't like some of the provisions. We used to have F/Os in SEA who would time out with 1000 hours in November while doing everything strictly by the contract book. F/Os, not senior Capts.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Your pay would lead me to believe you are at the top of the seniority list, in the 55+ years old range. But your name calling and childish behavior has you pegged at 6, maybe 8 years old max.

And if you plan on replying, save your energy. Because I can hear "I know you are, but what am I" at my local playground.

I’m not givin him shiite about it. He’s well within his prerogative to make the most of the current contract. For the most junior the contract provides a narrow band of opportunity to maximize financial and QOL provisions. The mid range provides a wider range to do so. And the top provides an even wider margin to do so. As it is with all contracts.

If a great contract is to be won the tip of the spear is always the upper middle and senior most pilots willing to make temporal sacrifice on behalf of the junior pilots for the potential reward that ALL will come out ahead in the end. But it requires two key components: A. Trust in the wisdom, resolve and unity of the union leadership and negotiators. B. A willingness to leverage some of their personal contractual maximization (which they are indeed entitled to) for a short term to get a better contract for everybody. OTZ has made it clear that neither of those principles exist for him, and so he’s gonna operate accordingly.

Whether or not he would operate differently if he actually had faith in our union, I have no idea. But, with the history of union leadership/company cronieism at Alaska, its totally understandable why he’s like “F it!!! While y’all chase your tails “negotiating a better contract, I believe I’ll just maximize the current one.” It all begins with the leadership. The company has done an amazing job at exploiting that one. OTZ isn’t the problem. He’s a byproduct of the problem.

So by your logic the junior guys should offer to give away the pension plan because it doesn’t affect us?

Your right our union sucks b@lls and if you want know why go look in the mirror.

Early 40’s and 30 percentile

Actually 108 x 259 = 27,972.....

But your name calling and childish behavior has you pegged at 6, maybe 8 years old max.


My wife tells me she is married to a 12 year old. You are probably not far off. She seems to like me on the boat though!

Southwest Hawaii.....
 

http://https://beatofhawaii.com/sout...irline-update/

For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.

You guys are funny. I must have struck a nerve though, I never weighed in on if/how I viewed the terminology. But somebody else defended the use by saying other airlines do... VX doesn’t/didn’t, that’s all I was pointing out. End of statement. A few seemed to get a little upset.

It’s a job. Call the stupid thing a jet, bus, a set of twig and berries... Truth is we are still undervalued schmucks working for a substandard company with a substandard contract with mix matched aircraft, paint, livery, interiors, uniforms, and stupid clip-on ties. Do the job, go home without bending metal or having to do a carpet dance and call it good.

Alaska from the JCBA has tried to play us all against each other and it has worked. Virgin did that very well too... smaller group, smaller issues, but same result. We never got together and worked as one until a perceived slight with the IPO. That took what 8 years?

Let’s not take that long. They are the enemy. Not each other.

They are hiring if you feel so strongly... I bet It would be a great job! I don’t think SWA has any unhappy pilots, it is the great utopian society, perfect in fact!

That is just reckless. How could they continue with their plan to grow in this climate? The smart play would have been to announce they are slowing the growth to one Hawaii flight to test the market and outsource. Reckless.

Av8or,

I get what you're saying, but you aren't negotiating a contract right now. So to criticize someone who is choosing to "make hay while the sun shines" is pretty juvenile on your part. Jealous much?

I'd encourage him to pick up all the open time he can...now. When Section Six opens, I'd hope he'd stop for the good of the whole. That's what working to book is all about.

You may all be too young to remember this, but once upon a time Delta had come to rely on green slip flying. So much that upwards of 15% of their flying was done that way. The pilots stopped picking up trips and the company was forced to the table. Of course, it was individual decisions (grass roots) that started it. Unlike APA, DALPA didn't encourage it in any way the company could prove.

So let OTZ fly the contract. Hopefully he'll stash enough cash he can stop when the contract cycle comes around. Then watch the Anglers twist in the wind when they can't get guys to pick up time. It's amusing to say the least.

The only caveat to that theory would be if there are pilots on furlough. In that case, picking up Open Time really is hurting someone personally.

Hey jacka$$.... I said it was a plan.... not utopia. Besides.... wouldn’t want to pass up the chance to fly with YOU!!! 😂 A chance to sit in your presence.... I mean... that’s gotta be priceless. The stock tips alone should be priceless!! Seriously... can hardly wait!!!

First.... lemme make this clear..... I’m not jealous of OTZ ... at ALL! I have ZERO problem with OTZ maximizing his potential.

Second.... from my understanding we are scheduled to start negotiations in April of 2019. And, I’m just stating some facts about staffing models everyone seems to acknowledge are true. What individuals do with that information is up to them. If history is any indication, what they’ll do at Alaska is... nothing different.

Third... if you didn’t read his response.... he’s made it CRYSTAL clear, he has ZERO intention of making a potential sacrifice to get a better contract. Not now. Not ever. Which, again I find remarkably refreshing! What part of “I don’t care about scope, slope or work rules”... was confusing?

Well that is putting words in my mouth. I said “I don’t care about commutability”, just like you don’t care about the number of turn lines. But yes, I care about scheduling... I want a 6hr per day guarantee, I want holiday pay, override for backside flying, no preferential bidding, and 200% premium pick up.

Check back and see what I pick up summer of 2020. Our contract expires March 31, 2020.

You laugh, but I guarantee you would enjoy flying with me. I never talk about the boat, don’t talk money or politics. I let you fly how you like to fly, and treat you like the professional pilot you are.

😂😂😂 This truly is awesome. You and BM, with his “we’ll absolutely sacrifice our relationship with the pilots”.... statement. I genuinely love the transparency of it all. Any chance we could get y’all in a cage match? Not physically.... maybe just one where y’all both just debate who is smarter, wealthier and has the coolest toys.

Sure put us in a cage. Just don’t make me ride bikes with him again... honestly, on a bike, he is a thumper. I would destroy him in a cage though.

in my 19 almost 20 yrs Alaska Airlines has never stopped negotiating against us. As the most self-centered selfish pilot group in ALPA we have never pulled our heads out of the trough long enough to be unified against the daily assault against us by Alaska Airlines. If we ever signed a contract that was worth the paper it was written on it would be a different story. Picking up from each other is good. From open time....never

😂😂😂 I’ll contact The Mirage in the morning. 👍🏼

Sooo....is Alaska getting bought?

Gup

Not in the near term, lots of wishful thinking, and rumors.

I have picked up from other Pilots only to find out they only drop to pick up premium. Not hard to figure out once you start looking at the Captains doing the dropping. I will only pick up or trade with people O know now.

Must be pretty bad if there is an Alaska FO interviewing at K4.

We also have FO’s leaving to Envoy Air for direct captain spots.