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Packrat 10-16-2019 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 2906024)
You started a whole thread for a rumor?

AS is rumored to be on the buyout block continuously for the last 30 years. Sounds like 'pilot wishing' to me.

greatlake 10-16-2019 12:35 PM

I think the odds are slim that the max won't be certified but if it doesn't, the big 4 will be looking to purchasing a smaller airline to maintain growth.

butthert 10-16-2019 01:12 PM

Southwest will buy Frontier and scrap the 737 max

KnockKnock 10-16-2019 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by greatlake (Post 2906423)
I think the odds are slim that the max won't be certified but if it doesn't, the big 4 will be looking to purchasing a smaller airline to maintain growth.

Or just order Airbus and Boeing will continue the NG line until another airframe is given the go ahead.

greatlake 10-16-2019 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2906442)
Or just order Airbus and Boeing will continue the NG line until another airframe is given the go ahead.

Because Airbus doesn't have a bunch of planes sitting around and would take awhile to restart the NG line.

KnockKnock 10-16-2019 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by greatlake (Post 2906450)
Because Airbus doesn't have a bunch of planes sitting around and would take awhile to restart the NG line.

I think the NG line is still operating small scale, (military P8) and I’m sure as far as timelines go, re-expanding the line would take much less time than negotiating the purchase of another airline which takes a couple of years. I think airlines would be more inclined to buy reduced price NG’s than spend billions on another airline just to solve a relatively short term problem. UAL seems to be content buying all kinds of used narrow body aircraft to feed their growth. No hint at a buyout/merger to fill their void. I’m not saying future mergers/acquisitions won’t happen but I don’t believe the Max re-certification will drive it.

Reactivity 10-16-2019 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2905982)
I heard today, just from a fellow crew member, who knows as much or less than the rest of us, that the 737Max never passed the wind tunnel testing. Some how, the aircraft, by virtue of the big ass engines, was not aerodynamic enough to pass the test?? I don’t even know how it works or what the wind tunnel test proves, or is, or if it’s a certification requirement.

There is no "wind tunnel test" to pass during certification. You certify the airplane by flying it, not by flying a scale model in a wind tunnel.

The wind tunnel is a tool used to validate designs and gather preliminary data before building and flying the real thing.

Reactivity 10-16-2019 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by greatlake (Post 2905680)
Anyone else hearing the rumor that Southwest is looking into buying Alaska if the MAX doesn't get certified?

As usual, the rumors are wrong.

I am buying Alaska.

Baradium 10-16-2019 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2906276)
DOT has little to do with it, it's DOJ and FTC.

As to the political practicality of an airline merger...

1. Would it result in a merged entity significantly larger than DL or AA (this is a bit nebulous depending on whether you look at revenue or ASMs or even fleet count)?

2. Would it result in a significant monopoly at any big hub or regional market?

If the answer is no, it would likely pass muster with the current administration. #2 could be (and has been) addressed by divesting gates/slots to balance out competition.

Whether it makes business sense is of course a whole 'nother issue. But corporate leaders in general will assume that two smaller companies in the same business can generally achieve cost savings and efficiencies by merging.

I think AS could be acquired by SW, or merge with anyone smaller. I think they could be acquired by UA with west-coast divestitures (not saying that makes sense). Could maybe be acquired by DL, the merged entity would be bigger than AA but not that much bigger.

As much as I would like to see DL buy Alaska, I honestly think the expansion DL has made in Seattle would make approval very difficult to achieve.

JamesNoBrakes 10-16-2019 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2905982)
I heard today, just from a fellow crew member, who knows as much or less than the rest of us, that the 737Max never passed the wind tunnel testing. Some how, the aircraft, by virtue of the big ass engines, was not aerodynamic enough to pass the test??

Please tell us more about this test! :D


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