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Old 01-10-2020, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000 View Post
ST is negotiating directly with the VX pilots, they are the only ones that gain much more then a penny in this whole thing. He is asking you hardcore cobras to sign off on something you will eventually get for free, in exchange for a HUGE give. Divide and conquer! He is trying to save the company millions in exchange for nothing. I guess we will quickly see how many sellouts we have over there, how many guys and gals all willing to sellout the next round of new hires at Alaska. Talk is cheap. Make them open that SEA Airbus base and MAX base, it will cost a fortune! They think we are all stupid!
Well as an ex-VXer, I don’t read any company email about negotiations. Also I don’t beat any drum as you alluded to in your other posts. I will only pay attention to two sections in any TA presented to the pilot group. 1 & 25 outside of Massive improvements it’s a no vote. My reps know all to well my opinions. I expect the elected representatives to toe the line and get an industry leading contract this group deserves. Or we can replace them with new blood and start over. Max, Airbii, 195/A220, I don’t care just pay me top of industry for that airframe.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:44 PM
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AS has most certainly bet everything on red, in the end, I think they will come out smelling like a rose, their price point is incredible. In the meantime they need us to play ball.
Of all the dumb **** you've said the last couple of days, this is the worst.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:04 PM
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Of all the dumb **** you've said the last couple of days, this is the worst.
MEA posts a lot of good, relevant information that obviously comes from the inside. You just have to take that sometimes unpopular information with the obvious truth that he is an Angle Lake disciple to his core.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:29 PM
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The deal is done, been done, it is still dependent though on Boeing preforming. To this point they have been unable.
Obviously not "100% SINGLE FLEET!!" yet then..

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a side note, looking for maybe an a MAX base within a base in SEA, longshot maybe a MAX only SJC of SFO base. Max training...
WTF does this even mean? A MAX base within a base?? "100% SINGLE FLEET!!" ...Dumb
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:06 PM
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Obviously not "100% SINGLE FLEET!!" yet then..



WTF does this even mean? A MAX base within a base?? "100% SINGLE FLEET!!" ...Dumb
He’s assuming the new training requirements for the MAX virtually make it a second type. He may wind up being right.
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:18 PM
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Is anyone actually reading anything from the MEC? It will probably be years until we have a contract and until then there is nothing to stop the majority of growth from being regional airplanes.

Even if we do get scope when we get a TA it won’t put all the regional airplanes they are about to add back in the bottle. It’s already 94. There’s no way we’ll get 320 mainline airframes.


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Old 01-10-2020, 11:02 PM
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You may be underestimating customer resistance. In the late 1950$ one of the best airliners around was the Lockheed Electra. Unfortunately it had a harmonic vibration problem that lead to the wings snapping off two of them in cruise. It was an easy fix - a little stiffening and reinforcing in the spar and engine mount to change the vibration frequency - and the problem was solved. Except 5here was a new problem. People wouldn’t fly in them. Eventually they shut down production of the passenger version because people just wouldn’t fly in them. Most of the pax models were eventually converted to cargo, or sold to foreign militaries, and the US Navy loved it as the P-3. They still fly out of Whidbey NAS. It’s actually still a great aircraft for a lot of things.

But those two accidents doomed them as pax aircraft.

The Jet age doomed the Electra. The crashes was just icing on its failure. 2 crashes aren’t new to the 737. Rudder hardovers crashed a United 737 at COS and a US Air 737 at PIT. And nearly an Eastwind in Carolina. 2 fatal crashes but they found and fixed the problem and the 737 did just fine for years since.


The MAX will be just fine. And people will fly them, although for the first 6 months or so airlines will offer people free changes to a NG/Airbus. But as time passes and people see this thing is safe, they won’t care.
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Old 01-11-2020, 12:57 AM
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Base within a base....they begged for it so that they could start ETOPS- Answer was no. TDY.....They have begged for it 2 different times- Answer was no Training freeze/seat lock....They have asked for it and tried to craftily implement it- Answer was no and a grievance. This with the most favorable management friendly MEC’s....A joke that Shane Tackett even suggests it.....He is one crafty little weasel. But the lad is out of touch. And he drops the PBS word as if anyone would give a red cent for it...Of course Ben Minicucci is fond of the 321NEO and says so frequently....even suggesting that a fleet between 50 and 75 airframes would be very good for Alaska....
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Old 01-11-2020, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000 View Post
ST is negotiating directly with the VX pilots, they are the only ones that gain much more then a penny in this whole thing. He is asking you hardcore cobras to sign off on something you will eventually get for free, in exchange for a HUGE give. Divide and conquer! He is trying to save the company millions in exchange for nothing. I guess we will quickly see how many sellouts we have over there, how many guys and gals all willing to sellout the next round of new hires at Alaska. Talk is cheap. Make them open that SEA Airbus base and MAX base, it will cost a fortune! They think we are all stupid!
To even suggest that the VX pilots are sell outs is beyond despicable and is worthy of an ass chewing. Especially when it comes from a pilot who belongs to the legacy( such a joke) Alaska pilot. The same group that is the cause of most if not all of what we are struggling with today. A pilot group who never saw value in scope.A pilot group who is responsible for the worst CBA of any carrier out there right now. And you can't even argue that, you can try, but we will all laugh at your pathetic a**. A pilot group that allowed a union to continue to function as a gate way for management pilots and had more leaks than Bismarck.

I know for a fact that if it where not for the VX union reps and their committees that fought hard against the legacy AS reps at the time. That scope and many other items would never have made into the JCBA. And only for them we are now in the process of pushing hard for scope and many other items. Today we have a very strong union leadership and one we can all be proud of and confident that they will push for what is rightfully ours and nothing less, an industry leading CBA. That union is made up of both legacy Alaska and VX pilots who now call themselves Alaska pilots.

You may think you know what you are talking about [MOD EDIT]

Most AS pilots I meet are very up to date with what needs to be fixed and are unified together as one group. We have power and are in a good position to use it.

As for thoughts attrition, and the fact you seem to think that it will jot affect AS. triple the sick calls on the AB and doubloon the 737. Caused a big issue. The majors have only just begun to hire and in big #s this year and moving forward. SWA used to be the place to go with a line out the door and pilots trying 2-3 times to get hire. It suddenly became a place that pilots stopped showing up for class and pilots leaving. It can happen here.

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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
Base within a base....they begged for it so that they could start ETOPS- Answer was no. TDY.....They have begged for it 2 different times- Answer was no Training freeze/seat lock....They have asked for it and tried to craftily implement it- Answer was no and a grievance. This with the most favorable management friendly MEC’s....A joke that Shane Tackett even suggests it.....He is one crafty little weasel. But the lad is out of touch. And he drops the PBS word as if anyone would give a red cent for it...Of course Ben Minicucci is fond of the 321NEO and says so frequently....even suggesting that a fleet between 50 and 75 airframes would be very good for Alaska....
It will be a no vote from me without PBS with proper work rules and pilot controlled pairing construction and pilot controlled PBS. I doubt I am the only one. As for Ben and the 321, you are right. He has always said he loves and its the same song and dance. nothing is new with the info they are telling us at these road shows.
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