Was Alaska Ever a Truly Great Place to Work?
#31
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The two senior FOs who left for Frontier, one went as their new Director of Training (a good move for him). The other I don’t know what position he obtained at Frontier, but he is also a super smart guy who has taught sims before. Maybe he went as a line pilot or maybe as something in training. Not sure. But these two departures are unique based on their backgrounds.
#32
On a side note it seems we are quickly retreating back to the “bronze” growth model and Max 10’s... that will most likely chase a lot of junior guys and gals out of here. Hopefully, something gives soon and they decide again to take some risk. If we have such a great product lets go steal some market share, not hide in the hanger.
Bronze = top guys getting the house in order before they sell the joint and cash out. AS needs to grow, or eventually get acquired (growth could hypothetically consist of them acquiring someone else, but no point in that if you're just going to downsize what you acquire).
#33
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If you look at the new hire breakdowns that SD has put out over the last few months, there were a few Spirit guys that came here. Everyone has a shoe that fits them best. The latest attrition list only shows 22 FO’s and potentially 2 (non retirement) CA’s have left in the last 6 months. The rest of the attrition list is filled with retirements. Where are people getting 40+ FO’s have left? The above mentioned 8 FOs that left in Jan are on the current attrition list.
#34
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27 resigned in 2018.
39 resigned last year.
8 have left this year, to date.
More will follow soon.
I'm aware of no CA's that have left. At best someone may have held a CA bid, or certainly could have held one, but no ACTUAL CA has resigned.
39 resigned last year.
8 have left this year, to date.
More will follow soon.
I'm aware of no CA's that have left. At best someone may have held a CA bid, or certainly could have held one, but no ACTUAL CA has resigned.
#35
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How many of those, “resigned”, went to other airlines and how many, “retired early”? How accurate is the attrition list? I count only 22 FO’s left from Aug 1st to Jan 28th. A handful of those FO’s had between 9-18 yrs until 65 so they didn’t necessarily go to other airlines. Two CA’s that left had 13 or less years to 65 so they could potentially have jumped ship. So how many pilots actually resigned AS and went to another airline?
#37
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Well, about 5 years ago I heard a Captain "resigned" and went to Spirit. Also, the word on the street is another Captain may soon resign...… he heard Delta pilots have better hot tubs at their layover hotels in LIH.
#38
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Yeah, exactly. How many of those resignations were asked to resign vs. how many left and went to another carrier? I’ve been told we’ve had a number of “early retirements” over the last few years.
#39
On a side note it seems we are quickly retreating back to the “bronze” growth model and Max 10’s... that will most likely chase a lot of junior guys and gals out of here. Hopefully, something gives soon and they decide again to take some risk. If we have such a great product lets go steal some market share, not hide in the hanger.
#40
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One captain took a down graded to to FO due to the terrible QOL, still didn’t enjoy his senior position as an Fo at Alaska, he is now at United. The senior FO that just left is now a $58 an hour FO at frontier, nothing more.
Most “legacy” airlines don’t see people flowing out to second tier airlines, that just doesn’t happen. When it happens here maybe people should put down the pipe and ask themselves why. Is it really that good here?
Most “legacy” airlines don’t see people flowing out to second tier airlines, that just doesn’t happen. When it happens here maybe people should put down the pipe and ask themselves why. Is it really that good here?
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