He was consistently accused of it though and investigated by the FBI who said he was a Marxist-Leninist. He was accused of being an agitator and anti-government riot instigator. I’m guessing if there would have pilot message boards back then he wouldn’t have found much support on them.

 

I think Kyle, the 17 year old is in a world of d** d**.

I'd like to take away the politics, "white supremacist" , the "Russian agent" and any other label that unnecessarily clouds the issue and look at it from the law enforcement and/or legal perspective.

Even on a good day, law enforcement and prosecuters tend to take a dim view of situations where one civilian shoots another, and will examine very closely the circumstances before, during and after, to determine what if any, charges might be laid. Many decent law-abiding citizens have found themselves in legal jeapordy after being involved in what they thought in their mind was a justifiable shooting in self-defense.

There were 3 people shot by Kyle.

He shot and killed the first person, Joseph Rosenbaum, after Rosenbaum approached him following what sounded like gunshots.

He shot and killed the second person, Anthony Huber, after he allegedly tried to take the gun away from him.

And he shot and injured the third person, Gaige Grosskreutz, who was in the vicinity, but had his hands up at the time he was shot.

The mitigating circumstances for him MIGHT be the fact that he only fired first, after he heard what might have been gunshots, and testifies that he thought Joseph was the shooter (he was not).

The other mitigating circumstance in his favor might be that he shot the 2nd person, Anthony, because he was trying to take his gun away from him.

I don't know if he can overcome the mitigating circumstances against him though...

It's going to be tough to justify shooting Gaige, who had his hands in the air when he was shot.

It's going to be tough justifying shooting someone because you heard gunshots and thought the victim was the shooter, but it is established that at no time did he have a gun.

The courts will also look negatively on the fact that Kyle traveled over 100 miles to inject himself into a very volatile situation where only law enforcement had any business being.

Finally, although Wisconsin is an open carry state, it is illegal for a minor to do so.

I don't know if he'll beat the 2 homicide charges, but he's also charged with attempted homicide, recklessly endangering safety and possession of a dangerous weapon by a juvenile, so it'll take an intervention, divine or otherwise, for him to beat all the charges.

And by the way, being declared NOT GUILTY is not the same as being declared INNOCENT. Just ask OJ! 😂

 

So your post lost any credibility when you claimed the third guy was shot when his hands were up.

He initially put his hands up, then charged and tried to kick Kyle in the head while brandishing his own firearm. That’s when he was shot.


So would you like to try again?


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Well, he was part of a "mostly peaceful" protest so there wouldn't be any way he would have used said firearm for any harm.

 

So are you disagreeing with my opinion that he'll be convicted of at least one of the charges or what?

I'm disagreeing with the assertion that he'll be found INNOCENT (NOT GUILTY) of ALL charges, given the TOTALITY of the situation and I stated my reasons by highlighting the pros and cons.

The fact that you disagree with one point, does not discount the whole premise. lol

I actually feel bad for the kid because he did a stupid thing in going there in the first place.

​​​​​In my opinion, the video doesn't show Gaige trying to kick Kyle in his head as you assert, and the Criminal Complaint does not allege that. It does state that Gaige had what appeared to be a handgun, but it's an open carry state and from the video it seems to me that he along with others (misguided in my opinion) were chasing Kyle in an effort to get the gun away from him because in their mind they thought that Kyle had just unjustifiably shot someone. So the facts are in dispute and that's not unusual for situations like these.

It will all come out in court.


You can download a copy of the criminal complaint. here:
https://journaltimes.com/news/local/read-the-criminal-charges-filed-against-kyle-rittenhouse/article_58490a6a-f25d-51fc-b2d1-a7d58ac685b1.html

 

A lawyer versed in use of force has an analysis that may be a good education for those not familiar with use of force legalities:


https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE

 

Very interesting analysis.

He concludes that Kyle may end up pleading to the lesser charge of possession of a firearm as a minor and that would not be surprising as it is the one charge that seems fairly cut and dry.

No doubt the prosecutors are going to be very aggressive with this case and it will be interesting to see their strategy going forward.

Don't forget that there can be more than one strategy to use in prosecuting or defending a case and occasionally, even lawyers on the same team might strongly disagree on which strategy has the best chance of success.

It will be interesting to see how Wisconsin state law views someone taking it upon themselves to defend other people's property without being explicitly asked to do so by the owner(s). I don't know whether or not he was asked to provide security when he got there, but my understanding is that Kyle was probably responding to a call on Facebook by some militia group that people go there and do that. Facebook (Mark Zuckerberg) has apologized and opined that they should have taken down that page much earlier than they did, as it was brought to their attention before the incident.

As an aside, his point that if people are arguing that Kyle shouldn't have been there, then none of the other players should've been there does not hold water, because it is like someone who got caught speeding trying to argue that he shouldn't get a ticket because others were speeding too.

 

I watched that one, along with this one as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts43EskooaA

 

You are going to be so ****ed when you see this kid's criminal record. He wasnt supposed to be anywhere near a gun. Let alone breaking laws in another state carrying a gun. There was a reason why his mother had to drive him into Wisconsin to meet up with the other armed gangs. If he had just followed the law and stayed home, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
And the video evidence is already out, he's the one that walked over to the peacefully assembled crowd that started this mess. Plus his high school friends just released other videos of him beating up a skinny little female, one of his classmates, seems this guy had real small dick complex. If this is the guy y'all are calling a hero, I'll hate to see a villain.

 

Both videos are very interesting to see.